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the planets trucks and masters almost

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surely have a plan this clearly maybe

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something there beyond the realm of man

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and if you already tested every lamppost

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just you upon the more you think you

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know the less you really do that's true

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dr. Zaius where would we be without you

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without being the highest

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here we go folks drinking a little drink

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smokin a little smoke and missing that

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old motto here in sunny San Diego i'm

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greg carl wood and it's been a while

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since i put any sort of preface on an

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episode i go back and forth because it

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feels like a double intro sometimes but

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also occasionally it helps to set the

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tone in a way i can only really do after

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a show's been recorded but i just wanted

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to tell you why we did this episode

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there's no doubt gordon is a great guest

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i love bringing them back for really any

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reason he's always right and interesting

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posts that are fun to talk about and we

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do that today too but really gordon and

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i have been talking about this major

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tone change that we've noticed not only

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in the general culture but also

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specifically in alternative media as

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gordon says probably part natural

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psychological reaction to troubled times

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such as these and probably part a gender

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serving manipulation also so i asked if

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we could record a show about this very

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area because i think it might be good to

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recalibrate once in a while to maybe

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step back from things and try to see

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them with new eyes and gordon and I have

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both been sharing articles at an

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increased rate that support the argument

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that we are quickly approaching this

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period we dramatically refer to as the

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end of empire but really we're seeing a

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time where the various puppet masters

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are sprinting with their agendas towards

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an endgame and they seem increasingly

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desperate which can be dangerous and

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increasingly on a breath which can be

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hopeful and people are waking up to the

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old games but new games are being played

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as well and maybe we're getting caught

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up in a few and maybe the immortal words

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of Kanye ring true and sometimes we're

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worried about the wrong things the wrong

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things

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another point is we are following right

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along the trajectory that Gordon lays

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out in the chaos protocols and it might

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be a good time to revisit the techniques

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for navigating this new economic reality

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that he wrote about so without wasting

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any more time let's do the damn thing

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with my friend and yours

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they built a little Empire out of some

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crazy garbage call the blood of imploded

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working-class but babe overcomer shinin

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now we're calling him your finest and

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the world

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screams hey PhD all right higher side

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shatters it seems obvious that these

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past few months have been full of nearly

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inescapable anxiety uncertainty and

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palpable tension buried underneath the

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smoke and mirrors of multiple agendas

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from everyone with skin in the game yes

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the bombardment by special interests

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trying to control the narrative can feel

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like you're being force-fed ads

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Clockwork Orange style in The Times

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Square of propaganda but what else is

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new meanwhile the masses take the bait

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and suit up to support the political

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teams that got us in this mess just to

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argue over the color of the cloth that

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will cover the casket at the end of

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empire if you haven't been working to

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cure your system addiction the end of

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empire can very much feel like the end

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of everything because there are ways to

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keep your sanity and insane times ways

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to keep your ship afloat as the storm

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rages on and ways to bid farewell to

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familiar but not so friendly

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institutions as they fade out of view

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it's their funeral folks not ours the

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territory is changing at a rapid pace

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and thus we need a new map and with us

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today is my favorite Kaos cartographer

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and magical map maker the great Gordon

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white as most hire site shatters know by

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now Gordon is the witty wizard cooking

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up all good things at rune soup calm he

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also authored starships to restore the

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magical context needed to understand our

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ancestors and the structures they left

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behind the chaos protocols to get you

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working on the very armor needed for the

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times ahead and the e-book pieces of

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eight if you need some ritual references

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while your iPad can still get a charge

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the wizard from Down Under captain of

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the SS chaos Hulk's master of the

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materialist worldview and my magical

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mentor Gordon my friend welcome back to

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the higher side

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I just love this just get better and

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better at this this is lucky number

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seven yes in terms of yeah and how many

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times is Nick Redfern been on I

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miscounted when I told you but his most

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recent one was seven also right I know I

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write the book every 45 minutes how can

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i how can I compete with that right it's

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tough yeah either way I'm still happy to

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have you here I mean nobody at this

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point has talked more on this show

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except me and I think that's a beautiful

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thing also Nick Redfern a lot of those

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early shows before they were two hours

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so timewise you'll still have them beat

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even when he's on eight yeah will you

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make sure he knows that I will but man

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you've been a good friend and you've

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given me a lot of great advice not just

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in magic but in life and you know I'm

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just excited to have you come out to the

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Wales vagina in just a few short months

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while my special lady and I bound

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ourselves by the rings of Saturn yeah

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yeah a conspiracy podcast event of the

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season yeah maybe but I will say you

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know I don't understand the skepticism

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that often crops up when I bring you

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back here your message is always pretty

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positive and we talk about so many

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things but I think almost all of it

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falls under the umbrella of constructing

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better models for understanding reality

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based on the available data and taking

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back the power that we've given away or

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had taken from us I'm sure you

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experienced this in many other areas of

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life but why do you think the guard

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seems disproportionately high for

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wizardry and magic talk in 2017 I don't

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know if it's if it's moved necessarily

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that much in 2017 I think you end up

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with a lot of competing different

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narratives in in a sort of alternative

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interpretation or kind of conspiracy

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world and it doesn't really hold water

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for very long there's a kind of default

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suspicion of these things as so many

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people have sort of tumbled at the

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bottom of a Protestant Christian

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worldview and so there's a there's a

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confusing suspicion of both the

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Freemasons and the Vatican which is fine

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because you know you you end up with you

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from power players through history but

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it's like well if you're anti them or

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you Pro them

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and and that kind of I think gets a

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little bit in the way of looking at it

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but particularly from a Chaos magic

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perspective there is a focus on or

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priority on solving things so that's we

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discussed this before when it comes to

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my you know because I'm in THC plus

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member and long-term interest in

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conspirator mind I am looking for and I

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make no apologies for it I'm sort of

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looking for ways of improving my

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understanding of the world for just

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general life improvement I don't think a

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lot of people might be using conspirator

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man as a sort of sodoku replacement

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where they want to you know sew

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something but then what happens next

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like once you've solved it what what is

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the thing that happens and that's

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entirely valid like people are allowed

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to have different areas of thought or

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discourse or just general interest from

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a magic perspective in a charismatic one

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there's something else to it which is

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well clearly there are players and

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things going on in the world not in a

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necessarily selfish way but what does

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that mean for me or how do i position

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myself because I'm not interested in

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dying just yet how do i position myself

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so that i am best arranged for the

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positive things that are coming and sort

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of have reduced exposure to the negative

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things and i think that's a big part of

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it as well yeah I get that I mean I've

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heard you say that you can't solve your

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way to a better world and this was kind

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of in the context of 9/11 but the point

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is we know what we need to know it's not

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really about was it nano-thermite was it

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directed energy weapons you know some of

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these things to an extent are unknowable

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but we know what's important which is

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who we can't trust and what was the

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manipulation and yeah just because you

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get that answer doesn't really change

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the actual world you're living in now

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the steps you take as a result of

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working out that the official conspiracy

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is flawed

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to put it mildly the steps you take are

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the same whether or not it's whether or

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not one is wrong but like whether or not

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it's the thermite one or

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or directed-energy weapons or

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what-have-you the steps you take are the

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same because other ways you faced with

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the situation it happens to people it's

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typically the first kind of red pill one

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do you think you're the person to solve

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it into once you've solved it whatever

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we do March on the white house you know

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right right and I also think people have

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very neat jerk reactions right now and

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they hear just certain words and phrases

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whether it's privilege or pepé or

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according to NASA and if they even get a

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whiff of an ideology that isn't theirs

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they just shut down or even attack which

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is kind of unfortunate because all we

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have is the numbers so if we force

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ourselves into smaller and smaller boxes

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we're really in trouble and anyone who

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has a different take on things it's not

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always a government shill and you don't

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have to agree with everything a person

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says to like them and it kind of seems

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like we've forgotten that lately we have

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and it's a it's an understandable

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psychological reaction people's

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worldviews are matching what's actually

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going on in the world less and less and

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the psychological reaction when that

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happens is to put walls up and and to be

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hostile and it's actually a very

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artificial and difficult thing to do

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because it goes against human psychology

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to be open to new information to be open

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to ideas you don't like or people you

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would otherwise disagree with it's

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actually a difficult thing to do and in

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a world that's kind of you know dialing

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up the heat that gets more and more

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difficult and so you have increasing

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polarization and atomization of people

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who may or may not benefit from you know

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engaging in speaking with each other

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because you kind of end up with it's the

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same thing happening to everyone right

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so that's where I think people have to

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sort of consciously do it and everyone

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has that first knee-jerk reaction if

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like I kill you if you you know disagree

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with you one would don't agree 100% yeah

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that is a great point and a good

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explanation for the psychology of it I

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mean when Austin was here we talked

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about astrology and the space weather

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being all about walls this next cycle

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and we were thinking you know Trump's

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border wall but maybe the

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on that there's a little more nuanced

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understanding that psychological walls

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apply as well the wall and the boundary

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and obviously this kind of relates to

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the story of magic and in particular the

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story of Fermi's who you know in in

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Greek systems in his many forms is more

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or less responsible for it same thing

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with Thoth which is the Egyptian homers

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right is the god of borders and walls

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and between spaces and way markers and

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it is at that psychological edge like

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the wall is the fundamental

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psychological and political concept if

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you have and it's not just although it's

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currently being expressed to do with you

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know immigration and physical walls but

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the wall and the idea of difference and

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you can see wolves in discussions of

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single-payer health care like well why

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would I pay for you like it's it's

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letting people in and out and it's this

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really challenging big psychological

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concept the wall is everywhere mm-hmm

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yeah man because of the distrust that's

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out there a lot of people have made very

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black-and-white conclusions about who

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they're going to trust what information

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they're going to take in what data

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they're willing to consider and that's

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basically putting yourself in a bubble

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which is one extreme that has its own

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problems but you do have to have some

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type of filter and it's really hard

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sometimes to discern which data to trust

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and which to discard is propaganda or

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disinfo because these institutions are

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so long-standing and you can usually

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look at a few things that are going to

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make you skeptical but you can't throw

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everything out entirely you can't be

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anti intellectual so what helps you

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decide what data to consider and what to

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not give as much credence to it kind of

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comes back to what we were saying about

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9/11 you basically need to stay in a

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permanent state of meta-analysis rather

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than detail analysis so you need to look

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at a thing or a cluster of ideas and

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generally think well which direction is

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this pointing is it pointing in that

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direction or that direction and make the

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decision up there bearing in mind that

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you're making it on kind of underlying

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data that is what at least 60%

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compromised so it's about spending more

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time at the

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next layer up at the moment one of the

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things that's helped for this I started

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almost a year ago a weekly newsletter

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called the Allred line which is a sort

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of weekly geopolitical analysis and

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funnily enough the weekly publication

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rather than chasing because obviously I

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write multiple blog posts a week rather

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than chasing the individual reaction

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particularly in today's world where you

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have flip flops over a side can stay

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aside can go whatever I'm literally on

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an overnight basis you get whiplash from

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doing that that are being forced on a

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weekly publication basis to sort of step

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back and look at it has been quite good

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training and I wonder if that's not a

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psychological shortcuts of people is

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they one you need to kind of everyone

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needs to go in a muse diet anyway but

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also kind of commit to yourself that

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you're going to only form a opinion of

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this however tentative on a weekly basis

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rather than chasing every little

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firecracker of info and disinfo

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throughout the week mmm that is yeah

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obviously a great point because you'll

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never be done you'll be getting jerked

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around all over the place and I think

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that's the point like I actually think

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that's what's going on if you look at

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what happens during the election you see

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two different mind control or

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manipulation modes being tested and then

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put to full flight and on the sort of

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war party side you have which we both

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experienced of course be the actual

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physical algorithmic manipulation of

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social media yeah

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but on the other side you have well

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let's see how [\h__\h] works let's see

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what making a completely wrong statement

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that I know to be completely wrong China

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invented climate change or whatever it

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happens to be let's see what happens

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dropping these chaos bombs that I know

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to be wrong and it's really really

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interesting the goal is the same right

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the goal is a sort of gas lighter

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population towards seeing the world the

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way you want to see it and now both are

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in play right so now again now we have

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the deliberate use of things that people

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know to be incorrect to be used to kind

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of shape a discussion in the approximate

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direction one wants it to go and we

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still have the you know full-blown

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algorithmic manipulation of social

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discourse so we're kind of in a world

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where if you chase these fire

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crackers you are the the platform upon

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which the mind war is waged right yeah

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you're playing right into the the goal

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there and these are strange times I mean

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even most alternative media has turned a

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weird corner where Alex Jones and red

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ice and a lot of researchers I've

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interviewed recently have been critics

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of the system and its players

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historically but they got behind reality

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show billionaire and then he won and now

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as you say we live in a world where Alex

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Jones as a White House press badge I

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mean how would you tweak the roadmap for

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say like a conspiratorial audience like

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this one I mean it's just hard because

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even researchers who are twice my age

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are in some weird way supporting the

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president for the first time ever yeah

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that is surprising I think it's there

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there are a couple of things need to do

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and I guess one of the other sort of

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hacks or best practices that include

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holding off and making an opinion until

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you know a week has passed the other one

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is to have a better meta model of what's

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going on and one of the things that's

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particularly interesting over the last

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15 years you know and very into is cycle

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models and cycle interpretations now I

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have a preference for button Armstrong's

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one but like the thing is any of them

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more or less will work Bannon likes the

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sort of fourth turning one you have ones

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that are based on like the decline and

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fall of Roman civilization and so on but

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you have this idea over the last 15

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years that the world appears to be

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describes better in a cycle model than a

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things are getting better linear

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progression model that you otherwise

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would have found in the West and

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particularly in the 90s and you know

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Bill Clinton and Tony Blair and so on so

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it's almost like you need an improved

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metaphysics before you want to go and

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look at our analyzer engage with either

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mainstream or alternative

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interpretations because with an improved

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metaphysics particularly a cycle model

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one we're at a point where the sort of

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quality of the discourse declines this

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is what happens at this point in the

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cycle right so one of the things morris

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Berman who I also really like but is a

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bit more of a decline if than I am who's

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written books about you know the end of

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the American Empire and so on he says at

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the end of an empire people always make

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the wrong decisions so people make the

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wrong decisions consistently and I

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played a part of it or it's just a thing

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that happens and you have to look at

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alternative media and go this is

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surprising I wonder if they're not

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caught in if you if you wind back the

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clock five years the very idea that the

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info was crowned would have a president

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on

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well it wasn't president at the time but

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it would have people for whatever reason

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giving them like in the White House

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giving them information at some point

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you would have hoped they would have

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thought well hang on I've just had a

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whole career talking about how

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information that comes from power is by

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definition compromised and I don't think

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I don't think a lot of people who are

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into this or are following this or aware

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of it that's still the case

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even if you happen to like the person

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who's currently in the White House more

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than the other choice that's skill in

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claim yeah and I also heard recently

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like collapse happens fairly quickly

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because of a normalcy bias like an

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example be we know politicians lie to us

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but we still listen and we still clap

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and we get a bumper sticker and we just

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kind of pretend it doesn't happen we

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pretend everything's coming up roses and

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then all of a sudden the sky falls the

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bottom drops out and it's because we

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didn't see those warning signs or we

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weren't paying attention to them or

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we're just in denial about them yeah and

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again we come back to sort of classic

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human psychology there and the idea of I

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mean I talked about this in pieces of

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eight if you don't have your own

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metaphysics you're you're running on

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someone else's and that's not

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good place to be this is a difficult

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thing to do it's why people don't do it

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and I think what I think what we will

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see over the course of this year is the

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fallout from people mistaking two things

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that so I think is very dangerous like

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if you if you watch the election and

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sort of valving and we didn't we spoke

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about it it was quite clear that

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whatever the secret powers are behind

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Trump ah they have a different agenda to

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the secret powers behind you know

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Clinton and the war party

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I think that's observable in what we saw

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last year and even to some extent what

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we're seeing this year it does not

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necessarily follow that that makes them

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the good guys and that's the kind of

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other shoe I think to drop for

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alternative media and and it makes me

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suspicious mildly suspicious that that

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isn't by design that they've managed to

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scoop up what was a very horizontal

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method of communication and kind of chip

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it behind to protect the president which

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the previous president didn't have well

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that's another thing I've been thinking

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about lately because there has been so

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much talk about twos and counter coos

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and infighting among deep state factions

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during this whole election cycle but

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I've learned a little bit about Jared

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Kushner recently and that has made me

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wonder if we don't have a to puppets

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one-hand situation because he's Trump's

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son-in-law he has a project that was

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funded by George Soros apparently I mean

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who knows what information to trust but

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apparently this is the guy who's kind of

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the liaison to those old elite powers

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and apparently also is why Bannon was

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kicked off the national security team

547
00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:45,380
and that's what started this whole

548
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:47,910
airstrikes in syria thing and dropping

549
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:50,970
the moab on afghanistan so I'm not sure

550
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:52,650
what are your thoughts on Jared Kushner

551
00:21:58,730 --> 00:21:55,410
and that possibility that maybe he's

552
00:22:03,050 --> 00:21:58,740
been there all along with pence also in

553
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:03,060
a position as a plan-b it it may well be

554
00:22:09,410 --> 00:22:05,970
I don't know if that's enough to go and

555
00:22:11,090 --> 00:22:09,420
give him that removing Bannon from the

556
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:11,100
National Security Council which i think

557
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:13,410
is in many ways good I mean he's a

558
00:22:18,900 --> 00:22:16,210
blogger and any sitting there with

559
00:22:20,580 --> 00:22:18,910
Admiral's that was part of a sequence of

560
00:22:23,910 --> 00:22:20,590
events that also included things like

561
00:22:25,740 --> 00:22:23,920
having Nunez recuse himself from the

562
00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:25,750
Reds under the bed Russia witch-hunt so

563
00:22:29,130 --> 00:22:27,130
there was a sort of sequence of events

564
00:22:31,530 --> 00:22:29,140
that started the Friday before with

565
00:22:32,610 --> 00:22:31,540
Tillerson saying Assad can stay and then

566
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:32,620
all of a sudden you get this

567
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:35,290
dramatically arrangement and suddenly

568
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:38,770
Trump is bombing Syria right so and NATO

569
00:22:42,660 --> 00:22:40,960
can stay and all this other stuff that's

570
00:22:44,730 --> 00:22:42,670
going on and yes I know that the Trump

571
00:22:48,750 --> 00:22:44,740
apologists say that this was all timed

572
00:22:50,250 --> 00:22:48,760
around the Chinese visit tomorrow logo

573
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:50,260
and that may well have been opportune

574
00:22:53,250 --> 00:22:52,000
timing but the trouble with that is that

575
00:22:54,780 --> 00:22:53,260
those sort of state visits about

576
00:22:56,190 --> 00:22:54,790
multiple months in advance and you have

577
00:22:58,170 --> 00:22:56,200
a kind of turnaround in the space of the

578
00:23:00,990 --> 00:22:58,180
week of a third can stay - let's bomb

579
00:23:04,890 --> 00:23:01,000
Assad ah so this is sort of my point

580
00:23:06,540 --> 00:23:04,900
which is there is clearly a faction

581
00:23:09,420 --> 00:23:06,550
behind Trump whether or not it's

582
00:23:14,550 --> 00:23:09,430
currently in charge that doesn't see the

583
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:14,560
world the way McCain does right so one

584
00:23:18,540 --> 00:23:16,090
that doesn't mean of the good guys and -

585
00:23:21,870 --> 00:23:18,550
it's not obvious to me that they're in

586
00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:21,880
charge and and I wonder if like if we're

587
00:23:26,550 --> 00:23:24,580
looking at how to describe this if we're

588
00:23:29,580 --> 00:23:26,560
looking at ulterior motives for the

589
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:29,590
dramatic escalation of war around the

590
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:31,450
world so Syria and North Korea although

591
00:23:35,850 --> 00:23:33,520
a view the North Korea thing is good one

592
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:35,860
of the side effects of that has been to

593
00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:37,570
increase the demand for long Treasuries

594
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:39,310
so that the actual yield among

595
00:23:42,690 --> 00:23:40,930
Treasuries is drunk which is quite good

596
00:23:44,220 --> 00:23:42,700
coming in to the end of April when you

597
00:23:48,150 --> 00:23:44,230
have to have a debt ceiling discussion

598
00:23:50,430 --> 00:23:48,160
and me thinking that he's a CEO he's got

599
00:23:53,070 --> 00:23:50,440
to run a PML what he's sort of done is

600
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:53,080
force after house to say he's doing the

601
00:23:58,410 --> 00:23:55,930
right thing and improve the demand for

602
00:24:00,450 --> 00:23:58,420
US debt heading into a debt ceiling

603
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:00,460
discussion and a bit of information that

604
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:01,930
I think people missed this week is that

605
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:03,760
they sort of tabled what they'd like to

606
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:05,770
do for the budget in 2018 and it's the

607
00:24:08,670 --> 00:24:07,360
biggest reorganization of the federal

608
00:24:11,310 --> 00:24:08,680
government in the history of the United

609
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:11,320
States so if you're looking at someone

610
00:24:16,980 --> 00:24:14,580
playing a medium-term game here he has

611
00:24:19,980 --> 00:24:16,990
got a whole bunch of people in advance

612
00:24:22,590 --> 00:24:19,990
behind him raising the debt ceiling he's

613
00:24:24,750 --> 00:24:22,600
improved demand for US debt and he's

614
00:24:26,340 --> 00:24:24,760
kind of launched what he will almost

615
00:24:27,810 --> 00:24:26,350
like a white paper what they want to do

616
00:24:29,549 --> 00:24:27,820
next year in the complete reorganization

617
00:24:31,529 --> 00:24:29,559
of the US so

618
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:31,539
is that the faction behind Trump and

619
00:24:36,529 --> 00:24:33,730
does that mean no one would argue that

620
00:24:39,149 --> 00:24:36,539
you know there needs to be a

621
00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:39,159
reorganization of how tax money and the

622
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,809
federal government runs no one would

623
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:42,400
argue against it but are these the

624
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:45,039
people you want to give free rein to and

625
00:24:47,490 --> 00:24:46,090
when it comes to having that discussion

626
00:24:49,940 --> 00:24:47,500
and these are the things that I think

627
00:24:54,330 --> 00:24:49,950
over the next three quarters of a year

628
00:24:56,700 --> 00:24:54,340
people who have maybe been knee-jerk Pro

629
00:24:59,130 --> 00:24:56,710
Trump because they were anti Empire and

630
00:25:01,440 --> 00:24:59,140
I fully get that are going to need to

631
00:25:03,390 --> 00:25:01,450
adjust their opinion because you're

632
00:25:06,570 --> 00:25:03,400
dealing it's gameofthrones like there

633
00:25:08,669 --> 00:25:06,580
are no good guys yeah and then and

634
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:08,679
you're right I do see also that

635
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:10,690
tug-of-war and the back-and-forth on

636
00:25:14,190 --> 00:25:12,400
some of those positions another thing I

637
00:25:16,890 --> 00:25:14,200
thought was kind of disturbing and

638
00:25:18,930 --> 00:25:16,900
unprecedented was it seems like when

639
00:25:21,450 --> 00:25:18,940
Trump was asked about did he approve

640
00:25:23,250 --> 00:25:21,460
that bomb he just kind of like I let the

641
00:25:25,020 --> 00:25:23,260
generals do whatever they want and it

642
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:25,030
does seem like he's kind of given carte

643
00:25:30,330 --> 00:25:26,799
blanche to the military-industrial

644
00:25:31,310 --> 00:25:30,340
complex to act autonomously and that's a

645
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:31,320
little weird

646
00:25:37,529 --> 00:25:35,770
that's CEO talk like he's actually to

647
00:25:39,470 --> 00:25:37,539
give him his credit when we're talking

648
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:39,480
about the use of [\h__\h] he's

649
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:42,640
unbelievably good at it like he really

650
00:25:45,690 --> 00:25:44,320
is I know that that Dilbert guy thinks

651
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:45,700
he essentially has magical powers I

652
00:25:50,399 --> 00:25:47,919
wouldn't take it that far but he's very

653
00:25:52,380 --> 00:25:50,409
good let you know it as we say the

654
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:52,390
reality TV show billionaire so he's

655
00:25:57,270 --> 00:25:54,250
actually very good at doing this and

656
00:26:00,029 --> 00:25:57,280
when a CEO says that what he's saying is

657
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:00,039
if it goes well I'm taking credit for it

658
00:26:05,070 --> 00:26:03,520
if it doesn't it was their fault so it's

659
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:05,080
one of those things you kind of got to

660
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:07,120
read between the lines on and again it's

661
00:26:11,370 --> 00:26:09,370
an argument for staying at that meta

662
00:26:14,220 --> 00:26:11,380
level of analysis which is keeping

663
00:26:16,110 --> 00:26:14,230
everything you know at arm's length or

664
00:26:17,730 --> 00:26:16,120
don't try as best you can and I

665
00:26:20,909 --> 00:26:17,740
appreciate because it's how difficult

666
00:26:23,370 --> 00:26:20,919
this is to kind of attenuate your

667
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:23,380
emotional reaction on a daily basis and

668
00:26:27,870 --> 00:26:26,049
then so take a deep breath but we can go

669
00:26:29,820 --> 00:26:27,880
right all right then what does it even

670
00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:29,830
happen this is coming back to the cycle

671
00:26:33,690 --> 00:26:32,169
model thing here we are at this point in

672
00:26:37,049 --> 00:26:33,700
the timeline however way you want to

673
00:26:38,669 --> 00:26:37,059
call it and a week is a long time and a

674
00:26:41,610 --> 00:26:38,679
week is a very long time in the amount

675
00:26:42,980 --> 00:26:41,620
of just stuff that happens backwards and

676
00:26:45,740 --> 00:26:42,990
forwards and

677
00:26:48,289 --> 00:26:45,750
and people coming you know in WikiLeaks

678
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:48,299
revelations and all the rest of it if

679
00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:50,730
you try to follow that on a daily basis

680
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:52,620
I can keep going to get caught in the

681
00:26:57,139 --> 00:26:55,110
energy of that fourth turning and and

682
00:26:59,180 --> 00:26:57,149
it's maybe not a good place to be it so

683
00:27:01,610 --> 00:26:59,190
it's either like being wave or riding a

684
00:27:03,019 --> 00:27:01,620
wave yeah I mean great point you're

685
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:03,029
talking about meta-analysis and I'm

686
00:27:07,340 --> 00:27:05,490
bringing up these like hyper zero

687
00:27:11,210 --> 00:27:07,350
details that probably aren't all that

688
00:27:12,769 --> 00:27:11,220
important well they are but like there's

689
00:27:14,419 --> 00:27:12,779
a different perspective that happens

690
00:27:16,460 --> 00:27:14,429
when you view these things in aggregate

691
00:27:18,250 --> 00:27:16,470
and that's that's what we have to do

692
00:27:21,769 --> 00:27:18,260
because there's just kind of no way

693
00:27:23,299 --> 00:27:21,779
right now of getting to the bottom of it

694
00:27:25,460 --> 00:27:23,309
like kind of drilling down and going

695
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:25,470
okay well that's what's going on I'll

696
00:27:31,310 --> 00:27:27,690
adjust accordingly we do you know really

697
00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:31,320
we're not really there mm-hmm and to uh

698
00:27:35,389 --> 00:27:33,809
to talk about that point in a timeline

699
00:27:37,820 --> 00:27:35,399
where we do everything wrong I did a

700
00:27:39,769 --> 00:27:37,830
universal basic income show which would

701
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:39,779
be one of those wrong answers to the

702
00:27:43,820 --> 00:27:41,850
right questions that you write about and

703
00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:43,830
I see why you're not a fan because it

704
00:27:49,159 --> 00:27:46,289
reinforces centralized control of the

705
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:49,169
system and I do agree that is bad I just

706
00:27:53,810 --> 00:27:50,970
worry that anything beyond that is kind

707
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:53,820
of outside of our grasp but we do need

708
00:27:57,799 --> 00:27:56,130
less centralization not more how can we

709
00:28:00,880 --> 00:27:57,809
move the needle in that direction

710
00:28:05,630 --> 00:28:00,890
despite the best efforts of the Empire

711
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:05,640
well again on a metaphysical level it's

712
00:28:10,190 --> 00:28:08,370
it's in some sense ending the way that

713
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:10,200
the Empire is funded in the way that

714
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:13,919
it's organized will be gone by 2030 like

715
00:28:22,370 --> 00:28:17,279
it we don't know how but this you know

716
00:28:24,110 --> 00:28:22,380
bonds selling raising money to pay for

717
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:24,120
things that are overpriced because that

718
00:28:27,769 --> 00:28:25,890
money goes straight into the back of

719
00:28:29,210 --> 00:28:27,779
private contractors and kind of keeping

720
00:28:30,889 --> 00:28:29,220
the whole thing afloat by having the

721
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:30,899
greatest military force the world's ever

722
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:31,200
seen

723
00:28:37,820 --> 00:28:35,610
that whole scam if you want is ending it

724
00:28:40,970 --> 00:28:37,830
may not end rapidly but it's on the way

725
00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:40,980
out so what that means operationally for

726
00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:44,760
people is from the top down I think

727
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:46,409
you're gonna get like a run at full

728
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,210
totalitarianism but from the top down

729
00:28:52,850 --> 00:28:50,159
it's not going to work between now and

730
00:28:54,379 --> 00:28:52,860
2030 so we it won't actually happen this

731
00:28:55,910 --> 00:28:54,389
kind of quote-unquote New World Order

732
00:28:58,220 --> 00:28:55,920
plans will be dead on arrival

733
00:29:00,620 --> 00:28:58,230
in the meantime there is the opportunity

734
00:29:02,660 --> 00:29:00,630
for us to like personally increase local

735
00:29:04,250 --> 00:29:02,670
participation because that will and that

736
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:04,260
can be at a government level that can be

737
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:05,610
food and knowledge sharing with

738
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:07,410
neighbors that can be all the rest of it

739
00:29:13,580 --> 00:29:10,770
that allows the kind of structure that

740
00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:13,590
use if not anti fragile then at least

741
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:17,100
robust to make it through the transition

742
00:29:21,650 --> 00:29:19,530
and I think that's a big part of it

743
00:29:24,410 --> 00:29:21,660
it would also be good if we can actually

744
00:29:26,510 --> 00:29:24,420
start talking about now that we have the

745
00:29:29,780 --> 00:29:26,520
data for it why

746
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:29,790
like quantifiably decentralized models

747
00:29:34,580 --> 00:29:32,640
work better and it's funny because we

748
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:34,590
have the data for it now but you kind of

749
00:29:38,060 --> 00:29:36,090
see that idea at the back of the

750
00:29:39,980 --> 00:29:38,070
formulation of the United States as a

751
00:29:43,340 --> 00:29:39,990
spell in the first place which is

752
00:29:46,580 --> 00:29:43,350
tyranny accumulates at more or less the

753
00:29:48,140 --> 00:29:46,590
same rate of centralization the reason

754
00:29:51,260 --> 00:29:48,150
you know Washington and New York

755
00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:51,270
research suspects now and London was the

756
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:53,460
same in the 1890s because that sort of

757
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:56,250
power and the money are and I think when

758
00:30:00,140 --> 00:29:57,840
you kind of have that as a sort of

759
00:30:01,820 --> 00:30:00,150
yardstick it it allows you to go okay

760
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:01,830
well what can be decentralize it it's

761
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:04,080
almost algorithmic or boolean where you

762
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:05,760
say military can this be decentralized

763
00:30:10,190 --> 00:30:08,640
no okay that stays there healthcare

764
00:30:12,260 --> 00:30:10,200
funding can this be decentralized as a

765
00:30:13,730 --> 00:30:12,270
matter of fact yes and you can kind of

766
00:30:15,530 --> 00:30:13,740
pull that down to sort of state and

767
00:30:18,050 --> 00:30:15,540
local level and sort of let things fall

768
00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:18,060
to the maximum possible level of

769
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,710
decentralization so that when the

770
00:30:24,890 --> 00:30:22,080
inevitable corruption happens you don't

771
00:30:27,170 --> 00:30:24,900
capture or break an entire system and it

772
00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:27,180
sort of functions like a biosphere them

773
00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:28,200
and I think there's a sort of

774
00:30:32,660 --> 00:30:29,910
interesting metaphysics to that that we

775
00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:32,670
should have people may be more aware of

776
00:30:39,020 --> 00:30:35,910
and and yeah you have to ask yourself

777
00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:39,030
whether Washington as it is currently

778
00:30:45,530 --> 00:30:42,120
arranged has the competency to deliver a

779
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:45,540
ubi in a non totalitarian way and I

780
00:30:48,910 --> 00:30:46,770
don't think anyone listen to this show

781
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:48,920
would say yes to that

782
00:30:52,390 --> 00:30:51,110
there are other opportunities that the

783
00:30:53,950 --> 00:30:52,400
way to do it again this comes back to

784
00:30:55,660 --> 00:30:53,960
work a currency creation can that be

785
00:30:57,549 --> 00:30:55,670
decentralized and the answer to that is

786
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:57,559
of course yes as well and we're seeing

787
00:31:01,630 --> 00:30:59,360
kind of tentative versions of it so you

788
00:31:04,180 --> 00:31:01,640
could in theory have localized you vis

789
00:31:05,740 --> 00:31:04,190
if you were interested in having a

790
00:31:07,450 --> 00:31:05,750
weaker currency than your neighbor and

791
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:07,460
that's having and I mean unlike a region

792
00:31:11,020 --> 00:31:09,710
by region basis these are all thought

793
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:11,030
experiments that make you kind of

794
00:31:14,140 --> 00:31:12,770
realize actually this is going to work

795
00:31:18,490 --> 00:31:14,150
where there isn't it and then having

796
00:31:20,650 --> 00:31:18,500
this sort of wish for I guess replacing

797
00:31:23,260 --> 00:31:20,660
a current system of near totalitarianism

798
00:31:24,430 --> 00:31:23,270
with full totalitarianism I don't feel

799
00:31:26,650 --> 00:31:24,440
like that's the souls to new

800
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:26,660
totalitarianism it's kind of like you

801
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:28,130
know adding more fire to a burning

802
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:30,410
building mm-hmm I definitely get we are

803
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:32,690
saying and the health care issue is sort

804
00:31:36,940 --> 00:31:35,330
of like a UVI and the fact that it is a

805
00:31:38,890 --> 00:31:36,950
big centralized system or that's the way

806
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:38,900
it's discussed and that really isn't the

807
00:31:42,730 --> 00:31:40,370
way we should go about it as you've said

808
00:31:44,770 --> 00:31:42,740
we need ten thousand different answers

809
00:31:47,230 --> 00:31:44,780
to health care not one and I think

810
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:47,240
that's a good way to say it well what

811
00:31:50,860 --> 00:31:49,490
would be so at the moment and by the way

812
00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:50,870
I consider single-payer to be an

813
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:52,910
inevitability it's sort of the only way

814
00:31:56,530 --> 00:31:54,559
a developed country can continue and

815
00:31:58,539 --> 00:31:56,540
interestingly I think it's about 58

816
00:32:00,880 --> 00:31:58,549
percent of the u.s. so that means quite

817
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:00,890
a chunk of Republicans are on board with

818
00:32:05,710 --> 00:32:03,049
it and in sense that's broadly good but

819
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:05,720
don't for a second think that that will

820
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:08,809
in any way kind of improve the health

821
00:32:11,890 --> 00:32:10,490
care options that are available all it

822
00:32:13,690 --> 00:32:11,900
will do is mean that if you get sick you

823
00:32:15,220 --> 00:32:13,700
don't go bankrupt and that's [\h__\h]

824
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:15,230
great and funnily enough I'm surprised

825
00:32:19,510 --> 00:32:16,970
your publicans haven't made an economic

826
00:32:20,980 --> 00:32:19,520
argument for single-payer which is it's

827
00:32:22,659 --> 00:32:20,990
really bad for the economy to have

828
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:22,669
thousands of people go bankrupt because

829
00:32:28,180 --> 00:32:24,890
they have you know a minor heart problem

830
00:32:30,850 --> 00:32:28,190
I truly do not understand it but what

831
00:32:33,460 --> 00:32:30,860
with a centralized system and we've seen

832
00:32:35,409 --> 00:32:33,470
this we've seen it with vaccines and

833
00:32:38,770 --> 00:32:35,419
psychiatric drugs and everything else

834
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:38,780
you only need to bribe three to five

835
00:32:43,810 --> 00:32:41,360
people to cause the deaths and-and-and

836
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:43,820
chronic and degenerative diseases of

837
00:32:47,409 --> 00:32:45,440
tens of thousands if not millions of

838
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:47,419
people you really only need bribe you

839
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:50,210
know CDC FDA whatever at the top and you

840
00:32:55,299 --> 00:32:52,880
see the revolving door into and out of

841
00:32:57,010 --> 00:32:55,309
private pharma companies and into and

842
00:32:58,930 --> 00:32:57,020
out of government positions now if you

843
00:33:02,200 --> 00:32:58,940
run that if you do a sort of modified

844
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:02,210
Canadian model where health care funding

845
00:33:05,290 --> 00:33:02,930
is descent

846
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:05,300
down to a state level now you have to

847
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:07,130
bribe a hundred and fifty rather than

848
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:09,770
three people and you probably will get

849
00:33:15,340 --> 00:33:13,130
80 of them 90 of them who knows but you

850
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:15,350
kind of see where the centralization in

851
00:33:21,670 --> 00:33:18,650
power corrupts and and that's the bit

852
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:21,680
that we can now prove in and this is a

853
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:23,210
new thing so it's alright the people

854
00:33:26,650 --> 00:33:24,320
don't understand this it's really only

855
00:33:29,650 --> 00:33:26,660
been in the last 15 years that we had

856
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,660
demographic and economic data and I mean

857
00:33:34,270 --> 00:33:31,760
physical data and you know access to

858
00:33:36,910 --> 00:33:34,280
computing power to crunch these numbers

859
00:33:38,530 --> 00:33:36,920
we can kind of demonstrate there are

860
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:38,540
some things that work better than others

861
00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:40,490
and that's one of them like it you get a

862
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:43,070
sort of inevitability of this corruption

863
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:46,610
in power and you know in some sense in

864
00:33:52,270 --> 00:33:48,050
most sense these discussions are

865
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:52,280
metaphysic because we don't get to make

866
00:33:56,050 --> 00:33:54,170
these decisions and the world's going to

867
00:33:59,740 --> 00:33:56,060
do what it's going to do but it's almost

868
00:34:03,010 --> 00:33:59,750
part of building yourself a coherent map

869
00:34:04,690 --> 00:34:03,020
for your own life to sort of solve this

870
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:04,700
things for yourself to fit ago okay well

871
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:06,710
if I did happen to the emperor of the

872
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:09,650
world how would I arrange it and there's

873
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:12,800
a lot of kind of personal real-life

874
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:15,200
benefit that can come out of thinking

875
00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:18,170
that way but I'm sort of hesitant to go

876
00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:20,510
into those discussions because as we

877
00:34:25,870 --> 00:34:22,510
were chatting about a couple of days ago

878
00:34:27,730 --> 00:34:25,880
we seem to have replaced real-world

879
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:27,740
improvements that we can make with

880
00:34:31,810 --> 00:34:29,570
arguing on the internet about our

881
00:34:35,590 --> 00:34:31,820
preferred utopias and that's a really

882
00:34:39,580 --> 00:34:35,600
19th century way of thinking about

883
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:39,590
things as if you can kind of arrive at a

884
00:34:45,790 --> 00:34:41,810
proper functioning of the world by

885
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:45,800
debate and it doesn't like there's no

886
00:34:49,330 --> 00:34:47,450
way even if you win the debate of

887
00:34:51,970 --> 00:34:49,340
getting that to actually match the

888
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:51,980
physical world and I think a lot of what

889
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:53,510
you see from an argument perspective

890
00:34:59,260 --> 00:34:56,210
online is that people have organized

891
00:35:00,640 --> 00:34:59,270
around a very specific utopia I'm not

892
00:35:02,740 --> 00:35:00,650
defending it they're defending it

893
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:02,750
because anyone who disagrees with their

894
00:35:07,810 --> 00:35:06,170
version of a utopia is the enemy right

895
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,820
right and that was going to be the next

896
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:09,200
day I was going to ask you about because

897
00:35:14,290 --> 00:35:12,290
things like universal basic income or

898
00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:14,300
national health care we could say those

899
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:16,630
are the wrong answers for people who are

900
00:35:21,660 --> 00:35:18,910
left side oriented but what about those

901
00:35:24,270 --> 00:35:21,670
wrong answers come in from those on the

902
00:35:26,970 --> 00:35:24,280
right and this gets into that idea of a

903
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:26,980
utopian anarcho-capitalist model which

904
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:29,650
is very popular right now but it is more

905
00:35:34,890 --> 00:35:31,450
of a thought exercise than it is any

906
00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:34,900
kind of practical thing yeah well it's

907
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:37,990
it's right-wing communism because the

908
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:41,050
two kind of loudest flavours Anaka

909
00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:44,410
capitalist on the right and Anaka

910
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:47,470
communist on the left and and so we sort

911
00:35:52,260 --> 00:35:50,050
of put an anchor like diet in front of

912
00:35:55,500 --> 00:35:52,270
you know a brand here and and the

913
00:35:59,850 --> 00:35:55,510
trouble is and I am 100% in full

914
00:36:01,620 --> 00:35:59,860
agreement with the idea that the world

915
00:36:04,020 --> 00:36:01,630
could do with some fixing like things

916
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:04,030
aren't great like a 100% aligned with

917
00:36:08,670 --> 00:36:06,490
both sides from a point of view which is

918
00:36:09,870 --> 00:36:08,680
like I think we could run the world a

919
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:09,880
bit better I think we could participate

920
00:36:13,470 --> 00:36:11,440
with each other a bit better than we

921
00:36:16,140 --> 00:36:13,480
currently are and that's completely -

922
00:36:19,860 --> 00:36:16,150
like 100 percent no no disagreement here

923
00:36:21,090 --> 00:36:19,870
the trouble is to implement either of

924
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:21,100
them and this comes back to what I was

925
00:36:26,340 --> 00:36:23,890
saying before like your soul for a near

926
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:26,350
totalitarian situation is totality

927
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:27,970
realism and and you know the obvious

928
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,130
example is going left to go okay well

929
00:36:34,110 --> 00:36:32,560
you know the Communists that you can put

930
00:36:36,330 --> 00:36:34,120
an arco in front of it if you want but

931
00:36:37,890 --> 00:36:36,340
you end up with a system that killed

932
00:36:40,050 --> 00:36:37,900
more than 100 million people in the last

933
00:36:42,450 --> 00:36:40,060
hundred years and kind of delayed

934
00:36:44,460 --> 00:36:42,460
innovation and you know all that kind of

935
00:36:47,370 --> 00:36:44,470
soso the kind of left version of it is

936
00:36:49,110 --> 00:36:47,380
you need to you need goo eggs and and

937
00:36:51,150 --> 00:36:49,120
forced marches and all this kind of

938
00:36:52,980 --> 00:36:51,160
stuff to get to the left utopia and

939
00:36:55,110 --> 00:36:52,990
funny enough you kind of need it on the

940
00:36:59,070 --> 00:36:55,120
right as well because you need to force

941
00:37:02,070 --> 00:36:59,080
people into a world so you need a

942
00:37:04,620 --> 00:37:02,080
totalizing rule to force people into a

943
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:04,630
world of no rules yeah so how are you

944
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:06,880
are you doing that how are you actually

945
00:37:12,930 --> 00:37:10,930
getting people into a world of no rules

946
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:12,940
and the answer is well obviously I will

947
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:15,490
use totalizing for anything well that

948
00:37:20,970 --> 00:37:17,440
kind of short circuit what you were

949
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:20,980
saying and and it's fine as an idea so

950
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:23,680
utopias were

951
00:37:28,170 --> 00:37:25,690
thought experiment they were never Maps

952
00:37:30,450 --> 00:37:28,180
and that goes all the way back to

953
00:37:32,820 --> 00:37:30,460
Atlantis where the presence of Atlantis

954
00:37:35,130 --> 00:37:32,830
in Timaeus is there to make a point

955
00:37:36,990 --> 00:37:35,140
about governance systems in Greece and

956
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:37,000
you get the same thing with where we get

957
00:37:40,980 --> 00:37:38,890
the word utopia from which is Thomas

958
00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:40,990
More like these thought experiments to

959
00:37:46,620 --> 00:37:44,110
make you their sort of moral lessons for

960
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:46,630
how you could be living better now

961
00:37:52,140 --> 00:37:49,210
rather than haha we should absolutely do

962
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:52,150
all of this and people who disagree will

963
00:37:55,380 --> 00:37:54,130
be crushed so I think there's a couple

964
00:37:57,260 --> 00:37:55,390
of things in the civic inspector that

965
00:37:59,970 --> 00:37:57,270
we're saying before about people being

966
00:38:02,430 --> 00:37:59,980
the world is changing so much and it's

967
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:02,440
kind of [\h__\h] for a lot of people that

968
00:38:06,930 --> 00:38:04,720
they they find what they perceive to be

969
00:38:09,420 --> 00:38:06,940
the answer and then dig in and defend it

970
00:38:11,460 --> 00:38:09,430
and as a result of doing that

971
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:11,470
coming back to borders you're pushing

972
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:13,090
everyone outside of this border you've

973
00:38:17,370 --> 00:38:15,040
just created and made them be enemy and

974
00:38:19,620 --> 00:38:17,380
the reason why you're experiencing such

975
00:38:22,290 --> 00:38:19,630
anxiety and pain and and lack of

976
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:22,300
opportunity and they said just a it's a

977
00:38:27,090 --> 00:38:24,910
mind game it's genuinely a mind game

978
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:27,100
you've fallen into a mind trap and I

979
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:29,520
think that's part of the challenge is

980
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:31,570
sort of separating the fact that a

981
00:38:36,330 --> 00:38:33,370
utopia is there is a moral psychological

982
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:36,340
lesson rather than a map to full-blown

983
00:38:40,830 --> 00:38:38,890
totalitarianism mm-hmm and I think

984
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:40,840
that's great because I did early on in

985
00:38:45,090 --> 00:38:42,730
this want to try to critique both sides

986
00:38:47,130 --> 00:38:45,100
a little bit try to rattle both cages

987
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:47,140
and point out exactly these sorts of

988
00:38:50,460 --> 00:38:48,640
things because there is a lot of

989
00:38:52,020 --> 00:38:50,470
soapboxing going on right now and

990
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:52,030
everyone's attitude is that the top-down

991
00:38:57,900 --> 00:38:54,640
system overhaul will work if it's just

992
00:38:59,220 --> 00:38:57,910
on my way but it's centralization and

993
00:39:01,200 --> 00:38:59,230
globalization that created the

994
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:01,210
conditions for people at the top to take

995
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:03,370
advantage like they do and you have a

996
00:39:06,860 --> 00:39:05,770
great line on the blog where you say

997
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:06,870
something to the effect that

998
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:09,370
decentralization spreads out the risk of

999
00:39:12,900 --> 00:39:11,530
cronyism because cronyism and abuse of

1000
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:12,910
power have always been there

1001
00:39:16,860 --> 00:39:15,040
let's move towards a way of life where

1002
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:16,870
when it happens it just takes down a

1003
00:39:20,670 --> 00:39:18,730
regional school board rather than the

1004
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:20,680
richest country on the planet and I

1005
00:39:24,210 --> 00:39:22,090
think that's a great way to put it and

1006
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:24,220
it is really the only insurance policy

1007
00:39:29,340 --> 00:39:26,320
against a system of powerful puppet

1008
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:29,350
masters yeah and this kind of comes back

1009
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:31,210
to is a saying the formulation of

1010
00:39:35,820 --> 00:39:33,610
America is a spell to begin with if you

1011
00:39:37,260 --> 00:39:35,830
look at the reasons why they had like

1012
00:39:37,530 --> 00:39:37,270
you know okay let's not have a standing

1013
00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:37,540
army

1014
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:39,550
wisely well because when you have a

1015
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:41,770
standing army people use it and you can

1016
00:39:47,370 --> 00:39:44,650
kind of see occasionally the temps in

1017
00:39:49,620 --> 00:39:47,380
history rarely to deal with the fact

1018
00:39:52,050 --> 00:39:49,630
that when you have things like crowns

1019
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:52,060
and Thrones and navies you get

1020
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:55,510
corruption and tyranny now the American

1021
00:39:58,680 --> 00:39:57,010
formulation of it a couple centuries ago

1022
00:40:00,750 --> 00:39:58,690
is obviously quite exclusionary with you

1023
00:40:02,580 --> 00:40:00,760
know white males essentially but the

1024
00:40:06,780 --> 00:40:02,590
idea is actually quite good so the

1025
00:40:08,670 --> 00:40:06,790
America is a kind of legal construct

1026
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:08,680
around a transcendental object which is

1027
00:40:13,020 --> 00:40:11,530
the American so the idea of pursuit of

1028
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:13,030
happiness and free speech and all these

1029
00:40:16,650 --> 00:40:14,800
things are transcendental and come from

1030
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:16,660
God they aren't conferred by the state

1031
00:40:20,340 --> 00:40:18,010
and that's a kind of really

1032
00:40:22,380 --> 00:40:20,350
eighteenth-century way of looking at the

1033
00:40:26,580 --> 00:40:22,390
sort of same challenge we're looking at

1034
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:26,590
now which is how do we organize politics

1035
00:40:32,460 --> 00:40:28,570
on a group level and metaphysics on an

1036
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:32,470
individual level to maximize you know

1037
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:35,410
opportunity and general happiness and

1038
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:38,770
health and less shitty lives for people

1039
00:40:42,750 --> 00:40:40,570
and it's kind of a thing we have to keep

1040
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:42,760
reminding ourselves and that was at a

1041
00:40:47,790 --> 00:40:45,370
different point in the cycle so the best

1042
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:47,800
example of why people are yelling at

1043
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,770
each other about utopian worldviews and

1044
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:52,480
calling everyone who disagrees with

1045
00:40:57,210 --> 00:40:55,210
their particular utopia the enemy if you

1046
00:41:00,120 --> 00:40:57,220
look at the transition to an industrial

1047
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:00,130
economy in the 19th century this is

1048
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:02,050
where we get Marxism this is more or

1049
00:41:05,970 --> 00:41:04,240
less where you get anarchism this is

1050
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:05,980
where you get a complete change in how

1051
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:08,560
monarchies and Europe work the same

1052
00:41:12,930 --> 00:41:10,480
thing happened because they're dealing

1053
00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:12,940
with one of these sort of turns one of

1054
00:41:17,790 --> 00:41:15,910
the sort of points in the cycle where

1055
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:17,800
you have a sort of major transition and

1056
00:41:22,050 --> 00:41:20,770
we're doing the same thing now and I

1057
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,060
think there's an opportunity to do it

1058
00:41:28,530 --> 00:41:24,640
slightly better we can increased I guess

1059
00:41:31,170 --> 00:41:28,540
historical perspective cheers to that

1060
00:41:33,180 --> 00:41:31,180
and let's get into some real advice now

1061
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:33,190
that we've torched a couple sacred cows

1062
00:41:37,590 --> 00:41:35,290
I also want to ask you about this post

1063
00:41:39,450 --> 00:41:37,600
of yours black pearl of great price the

1064
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:39,460
magical significance of Captain Jack

1065
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:41,170
Sparrow where you say that the Pirates

1066
00:41:44,970 --> 00:41:43,090
of the Caribbean films in aggregate are

1067
00:41:47,220 --> 00:41:44,980
the best depictions of Western magic

1068
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:47,230
ever committed to celluloid and you talk

1069
00:41:51,210 --> 00:41:49,690
about Jack Sparrow being one of the best

1070
00:41:53,130 --> 00:41:51,220
pop culture examples of the

1071
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:53,140
Rickster since Bugs Bunny and a good

1072
00:41:57,240 --> 00:41:55,570
model for navigating chaotic times which

1073
00:42:01,770 --> 00:41:57,250
we seem to be in tell us a little bit

1074
00:42:03,890 --> 00:42:01,780
about this model yeah I just went to if

1075
00:42:06,750 --> 00:42:03,900
people haven't read rune soup before I

1076
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:06,760
say things like that and I say them

1077
00:42:10,349 --> 00:42:08,890
because it you know it breaks people up

1078
00:42:12,570 --> 00:42:10,359
as they reading the post but there's

1079
00:42:15,180 --> 00:42:12,580
been a Pirates of the Caribbean motif

1080
00:42:19,470 --> 00:42:15,190
for years and what I essentially mean by

1081
00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:19,480
that and I think if you look at Captain

1082
00:42:24,570 --> 00:42:22,270
Jack's purpose as in from a

1083
00:42:27,450 --> 00:42:24,580
screenwriting perspective and he says

1084
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:27,460
this in the first film when he says what

1085
00:42:32,310 --> 00:42:29,770
a ship is and he says it's not a sail

1086
00:42:33,810 --> 00:42:32,320
and a keel and a hull and and so that's

1087
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:33,820
what a ship needs where the ship is is

1088
00:42:41,730 --> 00:42:38,710
freedom if you look at this archetype he

1089
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:41,740
is moving through the world towards

1090
00:42:47,010 --> 00:42:45,310
increased freedom opposite that and you

1091
00:42:50,130 --> 00:42:47,020
kind of get this in particular in the

1092
00:42:54,030 --> 00:42:50,140
sort of middle films and less so in the

1093
00:42:56,070 --> 00:42:54,040
first one opposing that you have the

1094
00:42:58,430 --> 00:42:56,080
East India Company which is sort of the

1095
00:43:00,089 --> 00:42:58,440
perfect villain because it is it's

1096
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:00,099
centralization and disenchantment

1097
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:02,890
because it is a corporation that it's a

1098
00:43:07,650 --> 00:43:05,440
state corporation so it's it's the worst

1099
00:43:10,349 --> 00:43:07,660
of the state in this case the crown and

1100
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:10,359
the worst of corporate behavior and it

1101
00:43:17,010 --> 00:43:12,930
is this sort of totalizing sameness that

1102
00:43:19,020 --> 00:43:17,020
is removing the freedom and taste in

1103
00:43:22,020 --> 00:43:19,030
color and it's represented by things

1104
00:43:23,250 --> 00:43:22,030
like magic and in your funny pirates and

1105
00:43:25,370 --> 00:43:23,260
the Pirates are interesting because

1106
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:25,380
they're different races different

1107
00:43:30,510 --> 00:43:28,089
genders all this kind of stuff so the

1108
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:30,520
pirates that have represent the organic

1109
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,530
and the analog and and and the chaotic

1110
00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:34,480
in a benign sense like that's what they

1111
00:43:39,329 --> 00:43:37,089
are and it's by the way not an exact

1112
00:43:41,010 --> 00:43:39,339
match of this is not a historical

1113
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:41,020
documentary this is you know how these

1114
00:43:43,050 --> 00:43:41,680
things work

1115
00:43:45,470 --> 00:43:43,060
so because you what you're dealing with

1116
00:43:48,329 --> 00:43:45,480
is a metaphysical discussion damn and

1117
00:43:51,230 --> 00:43:48,339
what's interesting about Captain Jack is

1118
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:51,240
that he's and why I use the Bugs Bunny

1119
00:43:56,839 --> 00:43:54,730
example is he navigates the world of

1120
00:44:00,079 --> 00:43:56,849
increasing totalitarianism and

1121
00:44:03,180 --> 00:44:00,089
decreasing enchantment in a very

1122
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:03,190
probabilistic way so he has a goal at

1123
00:44:05,489 --> 00:44:04,089
the end

1124
00:44:08,609 --> 00:44:05,499
which in the first film is getting a

1125
00:44:11,789 --> 00:44:08,619
ship back but he doesn't over plan the

1126
00:44:14,910 --> 00:44:11,799
steps the steps in between then and and

1127
00:44:16,999 --> 00:44:14,920
where he is are not known so he kind of

1128
00:44:19,019 --> 00:44:17,009
manages that on a probabilistic

1129
00:44:21,809 --> 00:44:19,029
individual basis pointing in one

1130
00:44:23,459 --> 00:44:21,819
direction and that's really that's very

1131
00:44:26,099 --> 00:44:23,469
good that's that's getting on furnace

1132
00:44:28,439 --> 00:44:26,109
into lab right because you in some sense

1133
00:44:29,939 --> 00:44:28,449
you will or in most senses you don't

1134
00:44:31,529 --> 00:44:29,949
know what's going to happen and a lot of

1135
00:44:33,179 --> 00:44:31,539
the sort of psychological pain people

1136
00:44:35,009 --> 00:44:33,189
experiences because they think they know

1137
00:44:36,479 --> 00:44:35,019
what's going to happen it doesn't and so

1138
00:44:38,489 --> 00:44:36,489
Captain Jack has this sort of

1139
00:44:41,549 --> 00:44:38,499
freewheeling way of going I'm a

1140
00:44:44,939 --> 00:44:41,559
heuristic or boolean decision basis does

1141
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:44,949
this next step get me closer or further

1142
00:44:48,959 --> 00:44:47,529
away from my goal and he takes that one

1143
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:48,969
and the famous sort of beginning

1144
00:44:54,059 --> 00:44:51,729
sequence in the first film where he

1145
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:54,069
shows up on a sinking little boat and

1146
00:44:58,469 --> 00:44:56,650
then you know leaves and the second

1147
00:45:00,420 --> 00:44:58,479
fastest ship in the Caribbean and in the

1148
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:00,430
meantime the town's been bombed and

1149
00:45:03,329 --> 00:45:01,930
people are falling off cliffs that he's

1150
00:45:05,339 --> 00:45:03,339
been in and out of jail and so on and it

1151
00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:05,349
all starts with he shows up with

1152
00:45:09,929 --> 00:45:07,569
absolutely nothing and leaves what he

1153
00:45:12,509 --> 00:45:09,939
won with what he want because of that

1154
00:45:14,279 --> 00:45:12,519
kind of thinking and decision-making and

1155
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:14,289
Bugs Bunny does that Bugs Bunny's very

1156
00:45:20,339 --> 00:45:17,170
much in the moment that demonstrates the

1157
00:45:23,009 --> 00:45:20,349
confidence or mastery of chaos that the

1158
00:45:25,339 --> 00:45:23,019
trickster represents and as a result is

1159
00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:25,349
kind of like a really good metaphor for

1160
00:45:30,059 --> 00:45:28,329
a really good way of thinking about in

1161
00:45:32,339 --> 00:45:30,069
the sense of having a bracelet that says

1162
00:45:34,169 --> 00:45:32,349
what would Jack Sparrow do it's a really

1163
00:45:36,089 --> 00:45:34,179
good a good way of thinking about what

1164
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:36,099
you can do on an individual basis and

1165
00:45:41,009 --> 00:45:38,729
how you navigate things like

1166
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:41,019
totalitarianism and disenchantment and

1167
00:45:46,380 --> 00:45:43,119
so on to get to the goal you want to get

1168
00:45:49,849 --> 00:45:46,390
to your black goal mm-hmm well said I

1169
00:45:52,499 --> 00:45:49,859
mean it is such a great attitude this

1170
00:45:54,539 --> 00:45:52,509
practicality moment-by-moment this

1171
00:45:56,729 --> 00:45:54,549
ultimate like flexibility and fluidity

1172
00:45:59,729 --> 00:45:56,739
and that's very appropriate for a

1173
00:46:01,529 --> 00:45:59,739
rapidly changing times yeah it is

1174
00:46:03,490 --> 00:46:01,539
because we don't know what the

1175
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:03,500
intervening

1176
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:05,330
between this year between now and 2030

1177
00:46:09,730 --> 00:46:07,730
the US will not be the preeminent

1178
00:46:12,220 --> 00:46:09,740
economic power in the world that will

1179
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,230
change we will have different

1180
00:46:15,940 --> 00:46:14,480
applications of well we're certainly

1181
00:46:17,830 --> 00:46:15,950
have digital currency we will probably

1182
00:46:20,890 --> 00:46:17,840
have a modified ubi which will begin

1183
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:20,900
with like a bundling up of all kind of

1184
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:23,450
states wealth transfers into one thing

1185
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:25,610
and it'll build from there and you kind

1186
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:27,440
of look at the steps which we now and

1187
00:46:31,690 --> 00:46:29,510
getting to a more multipolar world

1188
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:31,700
there's the risk of multiple Wars

1189
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:33,890
there's you have to be honest with

1190
00:46:38,590 --> 00:46:36,890
yourself is Washington the best people

1191
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:38,600
are they going to deliver all of these

1192
00:46:42,610 --> 00:46:40,250
things without sticking the landing and

1193
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:42,620
the answer is probably no so you don't

1194
00:46:45,790 --> 00:46:44,240
know in which way these things are going

1195
00:46:48,250 --> 00:46:45,800
to happen but in the meantime you

1196
00:46:51,310 --> 00:46:48,260
probably most people listen to this plan

1197
00:46:53,830 --> 00:46:51,320
to be alive in 2030 so what are you

1198
00:46:57,790 --> 00:46:53,840
doing and how do you navigate an unknown

1199
00:47:00,670 --> 00:46:57,800
terrain and there is something in the

1200
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:00,680
perpetual optimism of a kind of

1201
00:47:04,330 --> 00:47:02,090
trickster way of thinking things which

1202
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,340
is I will eventually win and it's not in

1203
00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:06,800
a malicious villainous way if they'll

1204
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:08,510
eventually win but say oh now I'm in

1205
00:47:13,810 --> 00:47:10,970
jail now I'm here now I'm here like this

1206
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:13,820
is the thing that's happening now reset

1207
00:47:17,590 --> 00:47:15,410
the decision with what gets me closer

1208
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:17,600
what gets me further away and it's just

1209
00:47:21,730 --> 00:47:19,760
a it's a fascinating thing to watch and

1210
00:47:23,590 --> 00:47:21,740
just if people are listening to this

1211
00:47:25,150 --> 00:47:23,600
going well I haven't seen it in a number

1212
00:47:27,790 --> 00:47:25,160
of years and I recall the middle ones

1213
00:47:29,290 --> 00:47:27,800
being shipped there is a trick

1214
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:29,300
particularly is the new films coming out

1215
00:47:32,260 --> 00:47:30,770
as to how to watch it and you give

1216
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:32,270
yourself a weekend and you watch the

1217
00:47:35,620 --> 00:47:33,410
first one on the Friday night because

1218
00:47:37,570 --> 00:47:35,630
it's essentially standalone the only way

1219
00:47:39,310 --> 00:47:37,580
the middle to make sense is if you watch

1220
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:39,320
them back-to-back so that's what you do

1221
00:47:43,540 --> 00:47:41,330
in the Saturday and then you can watch

1222
00:47:46,090 --> 00:47:43,550
the final one which is almost its own

1223
00:47:47,850 --> 00:47:46,100
standalone on the Sunday but you can if

1224
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:47,860
you chunk them in the whole weekend I

1225
00:47:53,530 --> 00:47:50,450
guarantee you they will make sense and I

1226
00:47:55,150 --> 00:47:53,540
guarantee you I will make sense there

1227
00:47:56,860 --> 00:47:55,160
are enough I'll add it to the list so I

1228
00:47:57,790 --> 00:47:56,870
can make it seem like I'm doing

1229
00:47:59,800 --> 00:47:57,800
something we're really I'm just

1230
00:48:04,150 --> 00:47:59,810
facilitating laziness but yeah you can

1231
00:48:06,250 --> 00:48:04,160
commit research yes right so when we do

1232
00:48:08,530 --> 00:48:06,260
look at the geopolitical chess board

1233
00:48:09,790 --> 00:48:08,540
right now power does seem to be shifting

1234
00:48:11,470 --> 00:48:09,800
and I wanted to ask you about China

1235
00:48:13,660 --> 00:48:11,480
because you've talked about the economic

1236
00:48:15,730 --> 00:48:13,670
might shifting over there in the years

1237
00:48:17,230 --> 00:48:15,740
to come and they recently announced they

1238
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:17,240
would be opening up there

1239
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:19,040
series and insurance companies to

1240
00:48:22,690 --> 00:48:20,930
foreign ownership which seemed quite

1241
00:48:25,060 --> 00:48:22,700
different from their usual style kind of

1242
00:48:26,170 --> 00:48:25,070
struck me as it might be a big deal what

1243
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:26,180
are your thoughts on that what does that

1244
00:48:32,350 --> 00:48:28,310
move signal to you anything real

1245
00:48:33,820 --> 00:48:32,360
significant it's when you're dealing

1246
00:48:36,609 --> 00:48:33,830
with China they will say things like

1247
00:48:38,970 --> 00:48:36,619
that but you're still not going to get

1248
00:48:41,380 --> 00:48:38,980
even if with majority foreign ownership

1249
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:41,390
you're still playing China's game you're

1250
00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:42,890
like if you're if you're buying into

1251
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:45,680
anything that's Chinese finance it's

1252
00:48:49,660 --> 00:48:47,570
there's much like the u.s. one it's

1253
00:48:52,530 --> 00:48:49,670
completely monitored we may say things

1254
00:48:55,300 --> 00:48:52,540
like that it will be a precursor to

1255
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:55,310
increasing eurasian economic integration

1256
00:49:00,760 --> 00:48:57,920
so we will open it up to foreigners oh

1257
00:49:03,570 --> 00:49:00,770
look Iran and Russia and India and so on

1258
00:49:06,850 --> 00:49:03,580
have bought in so it's a way of kind of

1259
00:49:08,890 --> 00:49:06,860
almost building like a privatized EU if

1260
00:49:12,220 --> 00:49:08,900
you look at the infrastructure projects

1261
00:49:13,780 --> 00:49:12,230
and the access to capital and the

1262
00:49:15,460 --> 00:49:13,790
redundancy and access to capital that

1263
00:49:17,790 --> 00:49:15,470
they're building in Eurasia at the

1264
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:17,800
moment this is that next step and

1265
00:49:23,650 --> 00:49:19,850
broadly speaking it's good

1266
00:49:26,740 --> 00:49:23,660
broadly speaking economic integration of

1267
00:49:28,810 --> 00:49:26,750
Eurasia without war without the kind of

1268
00:49:30,970 --> 00:49:28,820
totalizing anglo-american approach which

1269
00:49:33,580 --> 00:49:30,980
is we will economically integrate you

1270
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:33,590
into ours by taking all your resources

1271
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,170
and and giving you dollars and propping

1272
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:38,480
up dictators there is a way of doing it

1273
00:49:44,290 --> 00:49:41,450
that will hopefully kind of result in

1274
00:49:46,060 --> 00:49:44,300
the dramatic economic and an sort of

1275
00:49:48,430 --> 00:49:46,070
cultural improvement of the lives of

1276
00:49:50,020 --> 00:49:48,440
billions of people so we can kind of

1277
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:50,030
curse our fingers on it but when China

1278
00:49:53,740 --> 00:49:52,130
says things like that and they're

1279
00:49:57,070 --> 00:49:53,750
playing this game is ugh thinking about

1280
00:50:00,280 --> 00:49:57,080
it remember I guess it would have been

1281
00:50:04,330 --> 00:50:00,290
end of 2014 when the Rockefeller Trust

1282
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:04,340
divested itself of all its hydrocarbon

1283
00:50:09,099 --> 00:50:07,040
assets and which wasn't like Rockefeller

1284
00:50:12,370 --> 00:50:09,109
but just the trust divested itself of

1285
00:50:13,870 --> 00:50:12,380
hydrocarbon assets and then because we

1286
00:50:17,140 --> 00:50:13,880
were kind of playing that shadow war

1287
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:17,150
with Russia then oil tanked expecting

1288
00:50:21,820 --> 00:50:19,280
this would be to pain in Russia before

1289
00:50:23,830 --> 00:50:21,830
that happened earlier in the year China

1290
00:50:26,170 --> 00:50:23,840
and Russia cut a natural gas deal it was

1291
00:50:27,580 --> 00:50:26,180
about 20% below market and everyone's

1292
00:50:29,020 --> 00:50:27,590
like are you know Russia must be

1293
00:50:30,310 --> 00:50:29,030
desperate and then we see the energy

1294
00:50:32,050 --> 00:50:30,320
price

1295
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:32,060
crashed and to me that deal looks pretty

1296
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:34,160
good you can kind of see that they're

1297
00:50:38,980 --> 00:50:36,880
playing this medium-term game of

1298
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:38,990
Eurasian economic integration and

1299
00:50:44,350 --> 00:50:41,090
because the Anglo Americans are so

1300
00:50:47,130 --> 00:50:44,360
schizophrenic about letting other people

1301
00:50:50,410 --> 00:50:47,140
on the big table we're kind of missing

1302
00:50:52,690 --> 00:50:50,420
one of the singular economic events in

1303
00:50:54,610 --> 00:50:52,700
in the history of the planet by getting

1304
00:50:56,850 --> 00:50:54,620
this wrong and I just think like they're

1305
00:50:59,890 --> 00:50:56,860
playing they're playing a very

1306
00:51:01,660 --> 00:50:59,900
medium-term subtextual economic game

1307
00:51:04,270 --> 00:51:01,670
that we're currently not participating

1308
00:51:07,540 --> 00:51:04,280
in hmm and you've alluded a couple times

1309
00:51:09,730 --> 00:51:07,550
to the power going to China and 2030

1310
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:09,740
that's coming from that Martin Armstrong

1311
00:51:14,890 --> 00:51:12,290
model of cycles right yeah he has

1312
00:51:17,470 --> 00:51:14,900
exactly 2030 too is when China becomes

1313
00:51:20,050 --> 00:51:17,480
the economic capital of the world in his

1314
00:51:21,310 --> 00:51:20,060
cycle model but the thing is why I like

1315
00:51:23,500 --> 00:51:21,320
it is that it's got some very

1316
00:51:25,570 --> 00:51:23,510
interesting precision timing but you

1317
00:51:27,130 --> 00:51:25,580
don't need this sort of model that he

1318
00:51:29,290 --> 00:51:27,140
spent hundreds of millions of dollars

1319
00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:29,300
building to kind of see that that's

1320
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:31,250
going to happen approximately then right

1321
00:51:34,750 --> 00:51:32,690
funnily enough talking to speaking in

1322
00:51:36,670 --> 00:51:34,760
Austin Austin Copic we were talking

1323
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:36,680
about medium and long term astrological

1324
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:38,210
cycles and something very similar kind

1325
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:40,370
of shows up in astrology and just as a

1326
00:51:44,830 --> 00:51:42,530
medium-term economic forecast looking at

1327
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:44,840
where things are going to hit around the

1328
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:47,450
2030 mark seems like a reasonable thing

1329
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:50,450
to say right on and I'm sure a lot of

1330
00:51:54,940 --> 00:51:52,850
people are kind of freaking out about

1331
00:51:58,240 --> 00:51:54,950
that a little bit but you also talk

1332
00:52:00,550 --> 00:51:58,250
about opportunities in knowing the

1333
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,560
proper landscape and then capitalizing

1334
00:52:03,490 --> 00:52:02,480
what kind of opportunities do you think

1335
00:52:05,020 --> 00:52:03,500
there would be because I think a lot of

1336
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:05,030
people might feel like well I don't have

1337
00:52:11,410 --> 00:52:07,850
the resources to really capitalize on

1338
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:11,420
anything when the general population is

1339
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:13,490
going to be losing a lot of their buying

1340
00:52:17,830 --> 00:52:15,760
power so where are the opportunities I

1341
00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:17,840
just want to talk about that freaking

1342
00:52:21,340 --> 00:52:19,310
out thing that does fascinate me when

1343
00:52:23,590 --> 00:52:21,350
Americans freaked out going from number

1344
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:23,600
one to number two the economy in the

1345
00:52:27,370 --> 00:52:25,010
world like relax

1346
00:52:29,110 --> 00:52:27,380
it doesn't mean you know it doesn't mean

1347
00:52:30,310 --> 00:52:29,120
that there's no money with the kind of

1348
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:30,320
evening money like in the u.s. in a

1349
00:52:34,750 --> 00:52:31,970
funny way but like just in the middle

1350
00:52:36,430 --> 00:52:34,760
class it doesn't mean China has all the

1351
00:52:38,350 --> 00:52:36,440
money and no one else has any of it if

1352
00:52:40,210 --> 00:52:38,360
you look at say you know Europe does

1353
00:52:41,770 --> 00:52:40,220
find by don't being by no longer being

1354
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:41,780
the economic capital of the world

1355
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:43,290
it's what happens

1356
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:44,490
that the thing that happens at this

1357
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:45,930
point of a timeline so it doesn't mean

1358
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:48,810
America closes but what it does mean is

1359
00:52:53,330 --> 00:52:51,810
if you were looking for areas of

1360
00:52:54,620 --> 00:52:53,340
medium-term growth and it depends on

1361
00:52:56,660 --> 00:52:54,630
where you are in your life and what you

1362
00:52:58,250 --> 00:52:56,670
want to do with your life and so on the

1363
00:53:00,530 --> 00:52:58,260
sort of rise of Eurasia

1364
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:00,540
of which China is the is the largest

1365
00:53:04,910 --> 00:53:03,090
economy the rise of Eurasia is the

1366
00:53:07,790 --> 00:53:04,920
economic event of your lifetime

1367
00:53:10,310 --> 00:53:07,800
now you can participate in that but even

1368
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:10,320
if you don't you still are because that

1369
00:53:14,540 --> 00:53:13,050
is where your pension funds will be

1370
00:53:16,730 --> 00:53:14,550
invested but you know if there are any

1371
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:16,740
left by 2030 your pension funds will be

1372
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:18,960
invested in the building of Eurasia and

1373
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:21,330
so on so it's it's almost like you can't

1374
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:23,460
not take a position about what's going

1375
00:53:27,380 --> 00:53:25,680
on and as a result step one is to kind

1376
00:53:29,420 --> 00:53:27,390
of you don't need to go into detail on

1377
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:29,430
it but step one is to sort of know at a

1378
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:32,970
top level the economic shape of the

1379
00:53:37,070 --> 00:53:35,130
world and the more or less the direction

1380
00:53:38,780 --> 00:53:37,080
it's heading because that has a flow

1381
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,790
down effect into what it is you

1382
00:53:42,890 --> 00:53:40,800
prioritize and whether you if you want a

1383
00:53:45,140 --> 00:53:42,900
high-flying career and you're in your

1384
00:53:47,060 --> 00:53:45,150
early 20s then it's you probably need to

1385
00:53:50,180 --> 00:53:47,070
know a little bit more than if you're in

1386
00:53:52,730 --> 00:53:50,190
your late 40s and kind of say well I

1387
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:52,740
just want to make sure I can retire and

1388
00:53:58,280 --> 00:53:55,530
not have to like dumpster dive for food

1389
00:54:01,009 --> 00:53:58,290
so you need to know something different

1390
00:54:03,739 --> 00:54:01,019
about it and and that's

1391
00:54:07,069 --> 00:54:03,749
step1 step2 is more or less the same

1392
00:54:11,169 --> 00:54:07,079
when this comes back to the metaphysics

1393
00:54:13,849 --> 00:54:11,179
of of having a global understanding but

1394
00:54:16,099 --> 00:54:13,859
participating on an individual or local

1395
00:54:17,630 --> 00:54:16,109
or family or tribal group basis or

1396
00:54:20,359 --> 00:54:17,640
whatever you want to call it because

1397
00:54:21,949 --> 00:54:20,369
firmly enough even if we weren't at that

1398
00:54:25,429 --> 00:54:21,959
migration point if you look at the

1399
00:54:28,130 --> 00:54:25,439
direction of just developed economies in

1400
00:54:30,739 --> 00:54:28,140
general fluid is going to get more

1401
00:54:34,899 --> 00:54:30,749
expensive and of lower quality well

1402
00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:34,909
paying jobs are going to you know vanish

1403
00:54:39,859 --> 00:54:37,529
steadily and then rapidly decline as the

1404
00:54:41,059 --> 00:54:39,869
rise of automation comes on and all of a

1405
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:41,069
sudden you're starting to look at things

1406
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:43,529
well what are the things I can do about

1407
00:54:49,609 --> 00:54:45,839
that I can't participate in a robot war

1408
00:54:52,819 --> 00:54:49,619
just yet and that becomes a game of sort

1409
00:54:55,219 --> 00:54:52,829
of radically reducing your operating

1410
00:54:56,509 --> 00:54:55,229
costs prioritizing your own health and

1411
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:56,519
nutrition and that does mean growing

1412
00:55:01,249 --> 00:54:58,799
things this this all kind of falls

1413
00:55:03,199 --> 00:55:01,259
together as the one medium-term strategy

1414
00:55:06,289 --> 00:55:03,209
which is even as a thought experiment

1415
00:55:09,229 --> 00:55:06,299
find out just in your head what you

1416
00:55:11,509 --> 00:55:09,239
could genuinely do to reduce your rent

1417
00:55:13,669 --> 00:55:11,519
by 80% and there are things you can do

1418
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:13,679
they aren't palatable in a lot of cases

1419
00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:15,209
like well I suppose I can get three more

1420
00:55:19,009 --> 00:55:17,849
flatmates but those are the kind of

1421
00:55:20,659 --> 00:55:19,019
ideas you need to start thinking not

1422
00:55:21,799 --> 00:55:20,669
exactly that but those are the kind of

1423
00:55:25,219 --> 00:55:21,809
ideas you need to start thinking about

1424
00:55:27,679 --> 00:55:25,229
because however this ends all over this

1425
00:55:30,049 --> 00:55:27,689
migration goes you're still going to

1426
00:55:32,749 --> 00:55:30,059
need access to particularly you have

1427
00:55:35,749 --> 00:55:32,759
children access to nutritional food and

1428
00:55:37,969 --> 00:55:35,759
some sort of kind of economic fallback

1429
00:55:40,189 --> 00:55:37,979
as the economy transitions into a

1430
00:55:42,319 --> 00:55:40,199
largely automated one which means you

1431
00:55:44,029 --> 00:55:42,329
know if people do work for other

1432
00:55:46,269 --> 00:55:44,039
companies rather themselves and you know

1433
00:55:48,889 --> 00:55:46,279
the majority of people do have multiple

1434
00:55:51,169 --> 00:55:48,899
incomes in the one house operating in

1435
00:55:52,429 --> 00:55:51,179
different industries multi-generational

1436
00:55:54,439 --> 00:55:52,439
living this is the kind of stuff we

1437
00:55:56,599 --> 00:55:54,449
talked about in chaos protocols which is

1438
00:55:58,909 --> 00:55:56,609
what the entire rest of the world

1439
00:56:01,669 --> 00:55:58,919
outside of the Anglosphere does right

1440
00:56:04,279 --> 00:56:01,679
now and it's what the Anglosphere did up

1441
00:56:06,229 --> 00:56:04,289
until the 1950s so we had this seventy

1442
00:56:08,629 --> 00:56:06,239
year guess that one family could keep

1443
00:56:11,899 --> 00:56:08,639
three houses solvent and that gas has

1444
00:56:14,059 --> 00:56:11,909
turned out to be wrong so the question

1445
00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:14,069
is how you look at organizing your life

1446
00:56:16,490 --> 00:56:14,910
and funny enough since

1447
00:56:18,589 --> 00:56:16,500
writing a book and this is a bit I get

1448
00:56:20,450 --> 00:56:18,599
obviously you know people email or get

1449
00:56:22,940 --> 00:56:20,460
in touch about it the thing that I've

1450
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:22,950
delighted in the most is the different

1451
00:56:26,690 --> 00:56:24,960
configurations of households people have

1452
00:56:29,029 --> 00:56:26,700
emailed in going you know I already do

1453
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:29,039
that my favorite one was a divorced

1454
00:56:31,279 --> 00:56:30,480
couple obviously not all divorces can

1455
00:56:34,609 --> 00:56:31,289
work like this

1456
00:56:36,770 --> 00:56:34,619
but a divorced couple who both like the

1457
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:36,780
husband and ex-husband and ex-wife have

1458
00:56:40,730 --> 00:56:38,880
new partners and most partners have

1459
00:56:42,980 --> 00:56:40,740
their own families and they said well

1460
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:42,990
let's just all live in the one big house

1461
00:56:48,380 --> 00:56:46,410
so the kids of the original marriage are

1462
00:56:50,299 --> 00:56:48,390
still living with both parents everyone

1463
00:56:53,029 --> 00:56:50,309
gets on great this big house you have

1464
00:56:55,220 --> 00:56:53,039
four adult incomes you have access to

1465
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:55,230
health care you have access to childcare

1466
00:56:59,120 --> 00:56:57,450
all this stuff but that's a miracle to

1467
00:57:01,339 --> 00:56:59,130
me and I appreciate not all divorces go

1468
00:57:03,049 --> 00:57:01,349
like that but there are all kinds of

1469
00:57:05,299 --> 00:57:03,059
different configurations of it the idea

1470
00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:05,309
that you have to have like if you look

1471
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:07,140
at a house and picture the inside of it

1472
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:09,930
it's a white man in a sweater carving a

1473
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,760
roast for his white family like that's

1474
00:57:17,059 --> 00:57:13,680
gone that was a guess that was a guess

1475
00:57:18,829 --> 00:57:17,069
to sell dishwashers in the 60s right you

1476
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:18,839
just want the white genocide to take off

1477
00:57:25,579 --> 00:57:23,520
yeah but I think that's the it sounds

1478
00:57:26,900 --> 00:57:25,589
radical or different that it's not it's

1479
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:26,910
what we used to do it's what we've done

1480
00:57:31,789 --> 00:57:28,799
since caves and there are opportunities

1481
00:57:33,859 --> 00:57:31,799
like that that we need to look at in

1482
00:57:35,690 --> 00:57:33,869
addition to being willing to kind of

1483
00:57:37,099 --> 00:57:35,700
move about the earth which is a similar

1484
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:37,109
thing Tyler Cowen one of my favorite

1485
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:38,490
economists as a new book out called the

1486
00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:40,880
complacent class and it's sort of like a

1487
00:57:44,329 --> 00:57:42,809
mainstream economist version of the

1488
00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:44,339
chaos verticals because he hits all the

1489
00:57:48,740 --> 00:57:46,529
points that I gave last year sorry Tyler

1490
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:48,750
and one of them is that Americans aren't

1491
00:57:52,970 --> 00:57:50,970
moving as much and by moving as much I

1492
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:52,980
don't mean physical activity I mean

1493
00:57:57,049 --> 00:57:55,200
they're not migrating towards economic

1494
00:57:59,000 --> 00:57:57,059
opportunity and that's a medium-term

1495
00:58:00,799 --> 00:57:59,010
risk to kind of GDP and all this other

1496
00:58:03,620 --> 00:58:00,809
stuff but it also represents a

1497
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:03,630
surprising hack that you could if you're

1498
00:58:08,269 --> 00:58:05,609
willing to move because fewer people are

1499
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:08,279
all of a sudden this area of opportunity

1500
00:58:12,769 --> 00:58:10,319
opens up for you as well and so it's

1501
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:12,779
about that it's about kind of getting

1502
00:58:18,289 --> 00:58:15,450
your head over at a meta-level

1503
00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:18,299
world trends and that doesn't

1504
00:58:24,620 --> 00:58:21,569
necessarily require figuring out who the

1505
00:58:26,329 --> 00:58:24,630
secret powers are behind Trump you just

1506
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:26,339
kind of need to know the direction that

1507
00:58:29,740 --> 00:58:28,010
you're going in and in a way that

1508
00:58:30,670 --> 00:58:29,750
distraction it would be interesting to

1509
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:30,680
know and it would be additional

1510
00:58:34,810 --> 00:58:33,200
information but even without it you can

1511
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:34,820
kind of see the direction it's going and

1512
00:58:40,510 --> 00:58:38,240
so you have to kind of localize that

1513
00:58:43,410 --> 00:58:40,520
down to your level and be willing to

1514
00:58:47,380 --> 00:58:43,420
participate in kind of like a family and

1515
00:58:50,350 --> 00:58:47,390
neighborly sense I love it

1516
00:58:52,180 --> 00:58:50,360
I mean yeah maximising optionality is

1517
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:52,190
the term I've heard you use before but

1518
00:58:56,860 --> 00:58:54,050
that very much is in line with Jack

1519
00:58:57,790 --> 00:58:56,870
Sparrow in it yeah absolutely this is

1520
00:59:00,910 --> 00:58:57,800
the world we live in

1521
00:59:02,620 --> 00:59:00,920
mm-hmm so now how about the pedophilia

1522
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:02,630
networks I mean we don't have to say

1523
00:59:05,980 --> 00:59:04,310
pizza gate because that's such a loaded

1524
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:05,990
term and I've already lost subscribers

1525
00:59:09,340 --> 00:59:07,490
who have told me that they won't stand

1526
00:59:12,070 --> 00:59:09,350
for it because those episodes are Pro

1527
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:12,080
outright and anti-gay so let me ask a

1528
00:59:16,030 --> 00:59:14,240
guy who's neither I mean pedophilia

1529
00:59:18,340 --> 00:59:16,040
networks I mean they've been a main

1530
00:59:20,380 --> 00:59:18,350
staple of the conspiracy minded for a

1531
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:20,390
long time well before Pizza Gate and a

1532
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:22,880
lot of people expected Trump to maybe do

1533
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:25,040
something about this for some reason but

1534
00:59:28,810 --> 00:59:26,960
have you looked at this saga I mean

1535
00:59:33,220 --> 00:59:28,820
obviously you have but where do you see

1536
00:59:36,270 --> 00:59:33,230
it going if you ask me a month ago I

1537
00:59:40,350 --> 00:59:36,280
would have said I would say odds on

1538
00:59:42,340 --> 00:59:40,360
50/50 5% that you would get further

1539
00:59:45,370 --> 00:59:42,350
revelations that's a bit like to clarify

1540
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:45,380
I agree completely I think it's not even

1541
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:49,730
just conspirator and the idea of child

1542
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:51,530
sex predators operating at the highest

1543
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:53,330
levels of government has been around for

1544
00:59:57,250 --> 00:59:55,010
most of the 20th century like it there

1545
01:00:01,510 --> 00:59:57,260
were pedo scandals in in 19th century

1546
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:01,520
Victorian London right so and may they

1547
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:03,920
recur you have obviously the Franklin

1548
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:06,290
scandal and Jimmy Savile and basically

1549
01:00:11,590 --> 01:00:09,920
any other day in Westminster so it's

1550
01:00:15,070 --> 01:00:11,600
clearly there but if you're asking

1551
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:15,080
specifically but you know let's just put

1552
01:00:18,220 --> 01:00:16,640
it out there and say that pizza place

1553
01:00:20,590 --> 01:00:18,230
probably has nothing to do it and it's a

1554
01:00:22,300 --> 01:00:20,600
separate thing to talking about the

1555
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:22,310
stuff that was found on weiners laptop

1556
01:00:25,930 --> 01:00:24,410
if you'd asked me a month ago as to

1557
01:00:28,180 --> 01:00:25,940
whether it was going to come out I would

1558
01:00:29,860 --> 01:00:28,190
have said odds on at the time I would

1559
01:00:32,350 --> 01:00:29,870
have thought it is the sword of Damocles

1560
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:32,360
that he's been using and by here I mean

1561
01:00:39,610 --> 01:00:36,410
Bannen to bring recalcitrant people into

1562
01:00:41,609 --> 01:00:39,620
line and that may yet be the case it's

1563
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:41,619
just that if that was

1564
01:00:45,299 --> 01:00:44,079
lucidly the case I kind of feel like he

1565
01:00:47,970 --> 01:00:45,309
would have got his health care changes

1566
01:00:49,769 --> 01:00:47,980
through so I don't know I don't know at

1567
01:00:53,279 --> 01:00:49,779
this point I know that there Peyton Lee

1568
01:00:54,660 --> 01:00:53,289
is a paedophile Network at the highest

1569
01:00:56,910 --> 01:00:54,670
levels of power in the anglo-american

1570
01:01:00,359 --> 01:00:56,920
sort of sphere that I think that's a

1571
01:01:02,370 --> 01:01:00,369
very reasonable thing to say I don't

1572
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:02,380
know if they're going to be rounded up

1573
01:01:06,779 --> 01:01:05,170
in the middle of the night because then

1574
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:06,789
this kind of comes back to you just

1575
01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:08,049
because there are secret powers behind

1576
01:01:11,450 --> 01:01:09,849
Trump doesn't mean he's a good guy I

1577
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:11,460
don't know if that's going to happen

1578
01:01:16,410 --> 01:01:13,930
bearing in mind if it's as bad as you

1579
01:01:20,009 --> 01:01:16,420
and I probably think it is the house

1580
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:20,019
could be two-thirds empty so if you are

1581
01:01:25,380 --> 01:01:23,680
trying to do things like whether you

1582
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:25,390
agree with it or not tax reform and

1583
01:01:30,059 --> 01:01:28,089
reorganize federal spending it's

1584
01:01:32,849 --> 01:01:30,069
probably easier to do with people in the

1585
01:01:35,519 --> 01:01:32,859
house and that is really gross that's

1586
01:01:36,930 --> 01:01:35,529
like a terribly cynical thing it's the

1587
01:01:38,609 --> 01:01:36,940
sort of decision I guess you'd expect

1588
01:01:40,190 --> 01:01:38,619
them to make that's a really gross thing

1589
01:01:43,799 --> 01:01:40,200
to say because it means that you are

1590
01:01:45,329 --> 01:01:43,809
putting children at risk to get a policy

1591
01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:45,339
across and letting criminals go free

1592
01:01:50,579 --> 01:01:48,160
because of it but I couldn't tell you

1593
01:01:54,479 --> 01:01:50,589
any more given how the last month is

1594
01:01:57,779 --> 01:01:54,489
gone who even knows right good stuff man

1595
01:02:00,299 --> 01:01:57,789
so before we go because we are up

1596
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:00,309
against one hell of a machine what would

1597
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:03,130
you say is like a good mantra for modern

1598
01:02:08,039 --> 01:02:05,890
times or even something to tape up on

1599
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:08,049
the bathroom mirror to bring us back to

1600
01:02:14,819 --> 01:02:10,569
where we need to be among the constant

1601
01:02:15,479 --> 01:02:14,829
pushing and pulling right now mmm that's

1602
01:02:19,319 --> 01:02:15,489
a good one

1603
01:02:23,549 --> 01:02:19,329
I would suggest very strongly that

1604
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:23,559
people and like I mean is strongly

1605
01:02:29,549 --> 01:02:26,319
enough people download the headspace app

1606
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:29,559
and the paid version of it and just kind

1607
01:02:35,370 --> 01:02:31,690
of force yourself into a regular

1608
01:02:38,579 --> 01:02:35,380
meditation regime because that appears

1609
01:02:40,109 --> 01:02:38,589
to be the best cure for the sort of

1610
01:02:42,479 --> 01:02:40,119
attacks on the proper functioning of

1611
01:02:44,549 --> 01:02:42,489
your amygdala and the sort of rise in

1612
01:02:48,029 --> 01:02:44,559
cortisol and everything that comes along

1613
01:02:50,519 --> 01:02:48,039
with watching American news or being on

1614
01:02:52,650 --> 01:02:50,529
Facebook or so on is something about it

1615
01:02:55,590 --> 01:02:52,660
that is now essential not only to your

1616
01:02:57,660 --> 01:02:55,600
long-term health but your short-term

1617
01:02:59,900 --> 01:02:57,670
clarity of thinking and in terms of

1618
01:03:02,580 --> 01:02:59,910
mantras or things to tape up somewhere

1619
01:03:06,300 --> 01:03:02,590
some people on the lines of be humble in

1620
01:03:08,460 --> 01:03:06,310
what you do and don't know is is kind of

1621
01:03:11,580 --> 01:03:08,470
it at the moment because the sort of

1622
01:03:15,150 --> 01:03:11,590
short term challenge is how angry people

1623
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:15,160
are at each other when the thing they're

1624
01:03:18,810 --> 01:03:16,930
actually angry at to my mind it's the

1625
01:03:20,490 --> 01:03:18,820
one enemy like if you look at the people

1626
01:03:22,530 --> 01:03:20,500
who voted for Trump for anything other

1627
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:22,540
than racist reasons and if you look at

1628
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:26,890
the people who are proper left so not

1629
01:03:31,530 --> 01:03:28,930
Hillary types but people who are proper

1630
01:03:33,900 --> 01:03:31,540
lifts they're yelling at each other

1631
01:03:36,660 --> 01:03:33,910
about the same thing which is Empire and

1632
01:03:38,550 --> 01:03:36,670
I just kind of wonder if that would be a

1633
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:38,560
good thing to remind people of this sort

1634
01:03:44,730 --> 01:03:41,680
of sort of medication and and be humble

1635
01:03:46,260 --> 01:03:44,740
in what you do and don't no that's not

1636
01:03:49,260 --> 01:03:46,270
it that's not saying be complacent

1637
01:03:51,870 --> 01:03:49,270
that's saying be engaged but don't don't

1638
01:03:53,250 --> 01:03:51,880
call each other the Berkeley thing on

1639
01:03:57,470 --> 01:03:53,260
the weekend they're not both calling

1640
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:57,480
each other fascists and make goodness

1641
01:04:02,370 --> 01:04:00,880
well wise word man and it is always a

1642
01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:02,380
pleasure to have you here so glad we

1643
01:04:06,210 --> 01:04:03,910
could do it again I always recommend

1644
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:06,220
your books chaos protocols in particular

1645
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:09,130
you also have a lot more going on at

1646
01:04:12,900 --> 01:04:11,110
roon soups since we last spoke I'm

1647
01:04:14,460 --> 01:04:12,910
really enjoying those q and A's I'm

1648
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:14,470
still working my way through the sigil

1649
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:16,450
course but tell the people about all

1650
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:17,520
that new new

1651
01:04:24,090 --> 01:04:21,370
yes we have rune soup has a premium

1652
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:24,100
members option now where each quarter

1653
01:04:31,170 --> 01:04:28,690
there is a full course on some component

1654
01:04:32,730 --> 01:04:31,180
of magic so the first one was sigils and

1655
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:32,740
a complete course in two dramatic

1656
01:04:36,030 --> 01:04:33,490
beginning to end

1657
01:04:38,310 --> 01:04:36,040
it also has weekly video Q&A s and other

1658
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:38,320
stuff and additional presentations like

1659
01:04:42,510 --> 01:04:40,000
the ethnobotany presentation I gave in

1660
01:04:44,010 --> 01:04:42,520
micronesia earlier this year but each

1661
01:04:44,450 --> 01:04:44,020
quarter there is a full-blown beginning

1662
01:04:46,710 --> 01:04:44,460
to end

1663
01:04:48,450 --> 01:04:46,720
course incentives you with magic and the

1664
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:48,460
one for this quarter is on the sort of

1665
01:04:53,340 --> 01:04:50,290
history of the grimoire and how to use

1666
01:04:55,020 --> 01:04:53,350
them and it's ten dollars a month which

1667
01:04:57,150 --> 01:04:55,030
is so it's thirty dollars of course or

1668
01:04:59,130 --> 01:04:57,160
you're paying for the membership in the

1669
01:05:01,950 --> 01:04:59,140
courses of free or vice versa but it's

1670
01:05:04,140 --> 01:05:01,960
going really well and it's been one of

1671
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:04,150
them I guess it's been the high point of

1672
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:07,530
my year frankly is the people have

1673
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:09,610
really kind of engage

1674
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:12,160
their members are kind of taking it and

1675
01:05:15,060 --> 01:05:13,210
running with it they have their own

1676
01:05:17,580 --> 01:05:15,070
groups and we're working on things we're

1677
01:05:19,170 --> 01:05:17,590
doing a remote viewing like a group

1678
01:05:20,370 --> 01:05:19,180
remote viewing experiment for premium

1679
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:20,380
members which you can obviously

1680
01:05:25,590 --> 01:05:24,160
participate in and group prayer X tests

1681
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:25,600
and all that kind of stuff so it's not

1682
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:28,240
just you don't just join a website it's

1683
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:29,650
it's a group of people and they're then

1684
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:32,530
meeting up in Los Angeles in Manchester

1685
01:05:38,010 --> 01:05:35,440
and wherever and it's just kind of it's

1686
01:05:40,140 --> 01:05:38,020
a time to to sort of find the others and

1687
01:05:43,260 --> 01:05:40,150
there is a kind of need I think what now

1688
01:05:45,380 --> 01:05:43,270
more than ever for people to assert

1689
01:05:49,650 --> 01:05:45,390
sovereignty over their own kind of

1690
01:05:51,900 --> 01:05:49,660
spiritual potentials I guess yeah and

1691
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:51,910
then and I think it's a beautiful thing

1692
01:05:56,460 --> 01:05:54,010
I'm glad you're doing that obviously I

1693
01:05:59,340 --> 01:05:56,470
do it I think it's the really the future

1694
01:06:02,520 --> 01:05:59,350
of careers find what you have to offer

1695
01:06:05,220 --> 01:06:02,530
and offer it and since people who find

1696
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:05,230
value in it will throw you a bone or two

1697
01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:07,930
for it and in that kind of model we can

1698
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:09,520
all kind of get through without the

1699
01:06:16,260 --> 01:06:12,640
Empire will see nice long as we have a

1700
01:06:20,220 --> 01:06:16,270
computer I guess yeah it works until it

1701
01:06:22,290 --> 01:06:20,230
doesn't Evan so alright well boom goes

1702
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:22,300
the dynamite always a pleasure and I

1703
01:06:26,370 --> 01:06:24,610
will see you out here in July now you

1704
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:26,380
actually do have a meet space thing

1705
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:27,850
planned when you're out here too right

1706
01:06:32,490 --> 01:06:31,090
yes absolutely so we will be doing this

1707
01:06:34,950 --> 01:06:32,500
is kind of Habib and I will be doing an

1708
01:06:37,110 --> 01:06:34,960
event in Los Angeles on Saturday July

1709
01:06:39,030 --> 01:06:37,120
8th we just moved the venue because

1710
01:06:40,650 --> 01:06:39,040
there will be sleeping like there's

1711
01:06:42,060 --> 01:06:40,660
going to be more people there'll be a

1712
01:06:44,220 --> 01:06:42,070
separate Premium Members event for

1713
01:06:46,860 --> 01:06:44,230
premium members as well but if you're

1714
01:06:49,710 --> 01:06:46,870
interested sign up to the newsletter or

1715
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:49,720
check out rune soup Facebook page and

1716
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:52,210
kind of stay in touch because this is

1717
01:06:56,250 --> 01:06:53,650
going to be a real doozy there are other

1718
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:56,260
kind of fun and super intelligent guests

1719
01:06:59,720 --> 01:06:57,490
that we've got that I can't really talk

1720
01:07:03,210 --> 01:06:59,730
about yet excited it's going to be

1721
01:07:06,030 --> 01:07:03,220
essentially kind of like why the occult

1722
01:07:09,060 --> 01:07:06,040
and is is right for right now instead of

1723
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:09,070
why you need it and yeah I'm looking

1724
01:07:12,810 --> 01:07:10,450
forward to it and I'm looking forward to

1725
01:07:15,180 --> 01:07:12,820
the wedding ah well that's great I mean

1726
01:07:17,070 --> 01:07:15,190
I really hope I can attend that event

1727
01:07:18,450 --> 01:07:17,080
but you know I got knots to tie and

1728
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:18,460
commitments to make for the rest of my

1729
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:21,250
life yeah your Excuse is legitimate

1730
01:07:26,579 --> 01:07:23,410
everyone else is no right

1731
01:07:29,730 --> 01:07:26,589
I'll take it cool man love you take care

1732
01:07:30,749 --> 01:07:29,740
all right all right all right sweet baby

1733
01:07:33,690 --> 01:07:30,759
Jesus

1734
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:33,700
Gordon white once again people a bit

1735
01:07:37,829 --> 01:07:35,650
more practical and down-to-earth in our

1736
01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:37,839
typical conversations but I hope it

1737
01:07:41,970 --> 01:07:39,849
resonated with some people I hope it was

1738
01:07:44,099 --> 01:07:41,980
clear what we were trying to do or what

1739
01:07:46,589 --> 01:07:44,109
I was trying to do because my line of

1740
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:46,599
questioning was really about how I used

1741
01:07:50,009 --> 01:07:48,250
to look at the world as people who buy

1742
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:50,019
into the left and right paradigm and the

1743
01:07:54,329 --> 01:07:52,569
team sports mentality to politics and

1744
01:07:56,519 --> 01:07:54,339
then there are those who just see past

1745
01:07:57,749 --> 01:07:56,529
that but now it seems like there are

1746
01:08:00,210 --> 01:07:57,759
people who buy into the mainstream

1747
01:08:01,890 --> 01:08:00,220
left-right infighting and even the

1748
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:01,900
alternative thinkers have been divided

1749
01:08:06,710 --> 01:08:04,450
into extreme liberal socialists and

1750
01:08:09,450 --> 01:08:06,720
extreme nationalists libertarian

1751
01:08:11,999 --> 01:08:09,460
anarchists whatever labels you want to

1752
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:12,009
use but just more extreme versions of

1753
01:08:16,019 --> 01:08:14,079
the same thing as Gordon poignant Lee

1754
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:16,029
said we're arguing about our preferred

1755
01:08:22,019 --> 01:08:19,449
utopia's on the internet that just boom

1756
01:08:24,090 --> 01:08:22,029
sums it up right there so I hope this

1757
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:24,100
doesn't sound like a lecture because I

1758
01:08:28,379 --> 01:08:26,170
think or my hope is that a lot of people

1759
01:08:29,729 --> 01:08:28,389
notice these changes too and whether

1760
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:29,739
they've been able to put their finger on

1761
01:08:34,530 --> 01:08:32,290
it or not hopefully some of this episode

1762
01:08:37,860 --> 01:08:34,540
wedges itself into a spot that has been

1763
01:08:40,260 --> 01:08:37,870
vacant for a little while and I sort of

1764
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:40,270
hope the Jack Sparrow template is useful

1765
01:08:45,090 --> 01:08:43,120
I think it is it reminds me of a story

1766
01:08:46,829 --> 01:08:45,100
one thing Gordon and I have in common is

1767
01:08:47,579 --> 01:08:46,839
we both wanted to be filmmakers when we

1768
01:08:49,740 --> 01:08:47,589
were younger

1769
01:08:53,340 --> 01:08:49,750
he got further down that path than I did

1770
01:08:55,349 --> 01:08:53,350
but I was a big Kevin Smith fan so one

1771
01:08:58,320 --> 01:08:55,359
time me and my buddy Kirk we drove out

1772
01:09:01,169 --> 01:08:58,330
to the college he was speaking at and

1773
01:09:03,209 --> 01:09:01,179
during the QA I got on the mic and I

1774
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:03,219
asked Kevin Smith how to go from making

1775
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:05,650
little [\h__\h] skits with your friends

1776
01:09:10,950 --> 01:09:08,290
to really do in something you can make a

1777
01:09:13,649 --> 01:09:10,960
living off of and be proud of because

1778
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:13,659
even back then I knew I wanted out but

1779
01:09:19,769 --> 01:09:17,170
Kevin Smith said it takes a reasonable

1780
01:09:21,419 --> 01:09:19,779
amount of unreason ability and he went

1781
01:09:23,879 --> 01:09:21,429
on to explain you got to take some risks

1782
01:09:25,979 --> 01:09:23,889
that seemed nuts and you have to keep

1783
01:09:27,870 --> 01:09:25,989
moving forward towards the goal and you

1784
01:09:30,599 --> 01:09:27,880
have to have enough confidence to bet on

1785
01:09:32,700 --> 01:09:30,609
yourself for example when he was making

1786
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:32,710
his first movie clerks he took out a

1787
01:09:36,510 --> 01:09:34,690
bunch of credit cards and he wrote down

1788
01:09:36,970 --> 01:09:36,520
that he made way more money than he

1789
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:36,980
actually

1790
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:39,290
did he then made sure that he answered

1791
01:09:44,110 --> 01:09:41,810
the work phone when they called and then

1792
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:44,120
he lied to validate his own salary and

1793
01:09:48,820 --> 01:09:46,489
that is pretty nuts that's not something

1794
01:09:51,670 --> 01:09:48,830
specifically that anyone could recommend

1795
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:51,680
per se but if you're going to take out a

1796
01:09:57,550 --> 01:09:54,890
30k loan for a car why not for a chance

1797
01:09:59,080 --> 01:09:57,560
at your dream life and naysayers are

1798
01:10:01,810 --> 01:09:59,090
always going to tell you how stupid that

1799
01:10:04,330 --> 01:10:01,820
is and for every person that does that

1800
01:10:07,420 --> 01:10:04,340
and succeeds there are thousands of

1801
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:07,430
people who try it and fail and that may

1802
01:10:12,910 --> 01:10:10,370
be true but you have to know which one

1803
01:10:15,310 --> 01:10:12,920
of those people you are do the Jack

1804
01:10:18,670 --> 01:10:15,320
Sparrow go with the flow don't overthink

1805
01:10:21,300 --> 01:10:18,680
things have goals work towards them best

1806
01:10:23,620 --> 01:10:21,310
prepare yourself if things get rocky

1807
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:23,630
like we talked about there are plenty of

1808
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:25,840
red flags to suggest that they will

1809
01:10:30,970 --> 01:10:28,370
personally I think about Kevin Kelley's

1810
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:30,980
1,000 true fans principle all the time

1811
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:34,370
where he says for your thing to become a

1812
01:10:39,220 --> 01:10:36,650
sustainable career you really only need

1813
01:10:42,130 --> 01:10:39,230
1,000 true fans who will support you

1814
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:42,140
with about 50 bucks a year we'll do that

1815
01:10:47,170 --> 01:10:44,810
math that's 50k how many of us are even

1816
01:10:50,110 --> 01:10:47,180
making 50k a year and a lot of us are

1817
01:10:52,030 --> 01:10:50,120
hating what we do every day so I say

1818
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:52,040
figure out your thing maybe you want to

1819
01:10:56,229 --> 01:10:54,410
make 8-bit art coasters or maybe you

1820
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:56,239
want to make a series of classes about

1821
01:11:00,010 --> 01:10:57,770
something that's your passion and

1822
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:00,020
expertise or maybe you want to paint

1823
01:11:04,420 --> 01:11:01,730
people's pets as if they were human

1824
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:04,430
whatever it is you owe it to yourself to

1825
01:11:09,370 --> 01:11:07,040
try because that day you realize is your

1826
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:09,380
last day with a boss is a beautiful

1827
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:11,840
moment that everyone should have it's

1828
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:15,010
the true decentralizing of your income

1829
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:18,530
you're not dependent on one guy one

1830
01:11:23,380 --> 01:11:21,440
company it's the moment you realize that

1831
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:23,390
even though the education system was

1832
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:25,280
crafted to keep you as a cog in their

1833
01:11:30,090 --> 01:11:27,770
machine even though there are many debt

1834
01:11:33,100 --> 01:11:30,100
traps to keep you a place of servitude

1835
01:11:35,530 --> 01:11:33,110
even though you probably had to do it

1836
01:11:38,440 --> 01:11:35,540
with very little guidance you did it and

1837
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:38,450
it's a beautiful thing because I have

1838
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:40,640
seen the promised land people and it is

1839
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:43,130
far from perfect but it ain't bad

1840
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:45,410
but even things like cutting down your

1841
01:11:50,379 --> 01:11:48,320
overhead and learning truly powerful

1842
01:11:51,969 --> 01:11:50,389
permaculture techniques thing

1843
01:11:54,069 --> 01:11:51,979
that a few generations ago we're just

1844
01:11:56,290 --> 01:11:54,079
par for the course we got to get back to

1845
01:11:57,909 --> 01:11:56,300
them a lot of people want to tell us

1846
01:11:59,799 --> 01:11:57,919
right now that the sky is falling but

1847
01:12:01,810 --> 01:11:59,809
not many are talking about how to get

1848
01:12:03,850 --> 01:12:01,820
out of the way so I hope we can have a

1849
01:12:06,759 --> 01:12:03,860
little kumbaya moment whether we think

1850
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:06,769
taxation is theft or nukes are real or

1851
01:12:12,549 --> 01:12:09,199
aliens or demons and just realize that

1852
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:12,559
despite what we think we know what

1853
01:12:15,219 --> 01:12:14,239
pieces of the puzzle that we think we

1854
01:12:18,250 --> 01:12:15,229
fit into place

1855
01:12:21,219 --> 01:12:18,260
everyone is on a journey and just being

1856
01:12:22,929 --> 01:12:21,229
on it just actually being interested in

1857
01:12:25,029 --> 01:12:22,939
a show like this puts you in a very

1858
01:12:28,029 --> 01:12:25,039
small niche a group that should have

1859
01:12:31,089 --> 01:12:28,039
more connective tissue than points of

1860
01:12:34,029 --> 01:12:31,099
difference right just broadly seen

1861
01:12:35,889 --> 01:12:34,039
unfairness corruption and tilted scales

1862
01:12:39,250 --> 01:12:35,899
in the world and wanting to find our

1863
01:12:41,529 --> 01:12:39,260
freedom and shake off the chains we all

1864
01:12:44,020 --> 01:12:41,539
want these same things whether we think

1865
01:12:47,049 --> 01:12:44,030
the earth is round flat or Hollow and

1866
01:12:49,929 --> 01:12:47,059
flat earthers can we just calm down a

1867
01:12:51,759 --> 01:12:49,939
little bit with the globe tarde talk you

1868
01:12:54,370 --> 01:12:51,769
learned about this [\h__\h] eight months ago

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on YouTube be a little less douchey

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01:13:00,040 --> 01:12:56,809
about it really that goes for everything

1871
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be less shitty about everything almost

1872
01:13:04,750 --> 01:13:02,149
everyone's dealing with high amounts of

1873
01:13:07,239 --> 01:13:04,760
stress right now I add to it just to

1874
01:13:09,219 --> 01:13:07,249
play into the puppet masters hands so

1875
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that's my two cents we shouldn't just be

1876
01:13:13,419 --> 01:13:11,090
sizing up everyone's beliefs on

1877
01:13:15,969 --> 01:13:13,429
everything searching for one area of

1878
01:13:18,699 --> 01:13:15,979
difference and just attacking it over

1879
01:13:20,379 --> 01:13:18,709
and over but I'm glad we got to talk

1880
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:20,389
about some of this stuff I don't think

1881
01:13:24,819 --> 01:13:22,880
universal basic income is terrible but

1882
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:24,829
it really shouldn't be what we sit and

1883
01:13:29,739 --> 01:13:27,530
wait for it might be a band-aid that a

1884
01:13:32,469 --> 01:13:29,749
lot of us need but maybe we just need to

1885
01:13:34,989 --> 01:13:32,479
heal the underlying problem instead we

1886
01:13:36,819 --> 01:13:34,999
should decentralize all the things if we

1887
01:13:39,959 --> 01:13:36,829
want to feel less pain when we have to

1888
01:13:42,969 --> 01:13:39,969
dismantle corruption globalization

1889
01:13:45,489 --> 01:13:42,979
totalitarianism international everything

1890
01:13:48,100 --> 01:13:45,499
it's how we got into this era of too big

1891
01:13:49,929 --> 01:13:48,110
to fail one of my favorite quotes from

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Andrew Jackson when he was trying to

1893
01:13:54,759 --> 01:13:52,070
fight off the oily appendages of the

1894
01:13:57,699 --> 01:13:54,769
banking vampires apparently he said

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01:13:59,560 --> 01:13:57,709
gentlemen I've had my men watching you

1896
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for a long time and I'm convinced that

1897
01:14:03,100 --> 01:14:01,340
you have used the funds of the bank to

1898
01:14:04,270 --> 01:14:03,110
speculate and the breadstuffs of the

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01:14:06,490 --> 01:14:04,280
country

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you won you divided the profits amongst

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01:14:11,319 --> 01:14:08,630
you and when you lost you charged it to

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01:14:13,180 --> 01:14:11,329
the bank you tell me that if I take the

1903
01:14:16,089 --> 01:14:13,190
deposits from the bank and annul its

1904
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:16,099
charter I shall ruin 10,000 families and

1905
01:14:21,700 --> 01:14:18,650
that may be true gentlemen but that is

1906
01:14:24,370 --> 01:14:21,710
your sin should I let you go on you will

1907
01:14:27,129 --> 01:14:24,380
ruin 50,000 families and that would be

1908
01:14:29,819 --> 01:14:27,139
my sin you were identify burrs and

1909
01:14:32,319 --> 01:14:29,829
thieves I'm going to reach you out and

1910
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:32,329
whether that's a true quote or not it

1911
01:14:36,700 --> 01:14:34,400
does highlight exactly the problem of

1912
01:14:39,069 --> 01:14:36,710
dismantling aspects of society that are

1913
01:14:41,339 --> 01:14:39,079
corrupt but are so integrated that we

1914
01:14:44,379 --> 01:14:41,349
depend on them in one way or another

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01:14:47,470 --> 01:14:44,389
their short-term pain for medium and

1916
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:47,480
long-term freedom but anyway go see

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01:14:53,169 --> 01:14:50,570
Gordon in LA in July if you can that is

1918
01:14:54,910 --> 01:14:53,179
such a rare opportunity also sign up for

1919
01:14:57,010 --> 01:14:54,920
his classes if you want to get your

1920
01:14:59,919 --> 01:14:57,020
magic right the digital course is great

1921
01:15:01,810 --> 01:14:59,929
grimoires is next hopefully you didn't

1922
01:15:05,410 --> 01:15:01,820
think this episode was too practical or

1923
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:05,420
obvious or lame if you did you must have

1924
01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:07,010
just missed the plus show because that's

1925
01:15:10,959 --> 01:15:08,960
where we got into the weird stuff we

1926
01:15:13,569 --> 01:15:10,969
speculated on the heightened interest in

1927
01:15:16,689 --> 01:15:13,579
Antarctica Gordon talked about his fast

1928
01:15:19,180 --> 01:15:16,699
and ways to live better in trying times

1929
01:15:21,790 --> 01:15:19,190
the important psychological distinctions

1930
01:15:24,399 --> 01:15:21,800
between permaculture and prepping the

1931
01:15:26,260 --> 01:15:24,409
geographical impact on magic and the

1932
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:26,270
differences Gordon has noticed moving

1933
01:15:30,189 --> 01:15:28,250
from the City of London back to rural

1934
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:30,199
Australia and how it's affected his

1935
01:15:34,810 --> 01:15:33,170
practice the demiurges main goals and

1936
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:34,820
its attempt to fulfill them in the

1937
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:37,730
modern world but the various generations

1938
01:15:42,700 --> 01:15:40,159
of cell signal frequency could be the

1939
01:15:46,089 --> 01:15:42,710
vehicle of mass experimentation and that

1940
01:15:48,399 --> 01:15:46,099
5g could be full-blown mind control that

1941
01:15:50,620 --> 01:15:48,409
there is noticeably less depopulation

1942
01:15:53,169 --> 01:15:50,630
shedder and that may be the reasoning is

1943
01:15:55,029 --> 01:15:53,179
because it's already been solved we

1944
01:15:57,100 --> 01:15:55,039
talked about how Gordon's decentralized

1945
01:15:59,080 --> 01:15:57,110
all the things philosophy applies to the

1946
01:16:01,240 --> 01:15:59,090
Rhian champion of the world and the

1947
01:16:03,430 --> 01:16:01,250
parallels between taking a dog to the

1948
01:16:06,729 --> 01:16:03,440
vet and the high strangeness experiences

1949
01:16:09,339 --> 01:16:06,739
humans have with entities the things you

1950
01:16:10,930 --> 01:16:09,349
need to know people but seriously I

1951
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:10,940
couldn't do it without your support and

1952
01:16:16,029 --> 01:16:13,730
I have turned down a lot of offers for

1953
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:16,039
advertising and sponsorship and outside

1954
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:18,170
money based on the numbers

1955
01:16:22,990 --> 01:16:20,810
thousands of dollars a month but I will

1956
01:16:25,660 --> 01:16:23,000
not compromise the show and I hope that

1957
01:16:28,510 --> 01:16:25,670
you respect that because I'm gambling on

1958
01:16:30,010 --> 01:16:28,520
your support I bet on the fact that

1959
01:16:33,070 --> 01:16:30,020
you're going to find this show genuine

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01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:33,080
and entertaining and that my choice to

1961
01:16:37,420 --> 01:16:34,730
keep the price low means that you're

1962
01:16:40,060 --> 01:16:37,430
going to be motivated to join up my life

1963
01:16:43,300 --> 01:16:40,070
is in your hands dude my life is in your

1964
01:16:45,790 --> 01:16:43,310
hands but that said I did what I can

1965
01:16:48,190 --> 01:16:45,800
your move deep state mind manipulators

1966
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:48,200
polarizing pundits and your Demiurge ik

1967
01:16:55,180 --> 01:16:50,330
bureaucratic agendas of enlightenment

1968
01:16:57,340 --> 01:16:55,190
denial you're [\h__\h] happy holidays and

1969
01:16:59,860 --> 01:16:57,350
Merry Christmas news we're going to talk

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01:17:13,740 --> 01:16:59,870
about angels and miracles in rosemary

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01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:13,750
for a few hours tonight getting old

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[Music]

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maybe not my department

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01:17:52,380 --> 01:17:44,640
maybe I should shine mr. Jung

1975
01:17:58,820 --> 01:17:52,390
quite a Harlan with all the athletes now

1976
01:18:13,370 --> 01:18:06,320
I have PhD I'm feeling more at home

1977
01:18:22,020 --> 01:18:13,380
then I ever pass you be cruel and

1978
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:22,030
heartless jack holy cow enjoy

1979
01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:38,640
I'm sure you must feel kind of dirty

1980
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:46,000
after each commercial fine-tuning is

1981
01:19:03,850 --> 01:18:55,010
absurd our on-demand is what happens we

1982
01:19:07,649 --> 01:19:03,860
make me it's a joke and I don't know I'm

1983
01:19:15,970 --> 01:19:07,659
feeling more at home

1984
01:19:17,500 --> 01:19:15,980
then I ever have me grow in sores or

1985
01:19:23,590 --> 01:19:17,510
just

1986
01:19:32,820 --> 01:19:23,600
slowly I ain't going nowhere

1987
01:19:35,230 --> 01:19:32,830
oh these shows are just holding his

1988
01:19:40,809 --> 01:19:35,240
coordinates at

1989
01:19:45,299 --> 01:19:40,819
oh is it

1990
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we're oh these shows are just drowning